Mandatory helmet law
DIrvine
Posted 9/26/2013 11:51 PM (#74258)
Subject: Mandatory helmet law


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There have been several attempts by various motorcycle groups to abolish the mandatory helmet law. So far this hasn't happened. Also there have been several attempts to change the law so that motorcyclists that approach a left turn lane that has a stop light that won't change to be allowed to proceed left after coming to a full stop and going through a full cycle of the light. The legislature has adjourned for the year, but these two items will be brought before it in the spring. Idaho, the adjoining state has a helmet law that restricts riders or passengers 18 years and under to wear helmets. They also have a law that allows left turns at an intersection where the light doesn't change for motorcycles. They can turn left after stopping and going through a full cycle of the traffic light.
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Hack'n
Posted 9/27/2013 12:05 PM (#74272 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
The State Patrol and other police agencies are still pressing for a full helmet law in Idaho.
Even though there is no adult helmet law, anytime there is an accident involving a motorcycle the spokesperson always states if the motorcycle rider was not wearing a helmet. Regardless of what injuries may have been sustained. The Statesman had a front page article this week that was pushing for helmet laws.

Let those who ride decide!

Lonnie
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Peter Pan
Posted 9/27/2013 2:57 PM (#74273 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 1904
Location: San Isidro de Heredia, Costa Rica
Lonnie, the first time I disagree with you in all these years.
It is darn ugly to give last auxilliary help.
The kid I had to help over the egde even had a helmet on, but too loose, so it flew off as he hit the car of a teacher who jumped a stop sign.
I can still remind his flight of 18m in front of me. And my officer vomating for 3 weeks.
No, its an ugly situation I do not like to repeat. It happens here daily that kids loose their life showing off without helmet, badly secured ones or wearing it pushed up above their neck.
One old fart (45-50) even offered me his fists to clean my face as I asked him to use a helmet downtown in tight traffic.

Yes, its everybodies own decision what to do with their lifes, but it is a very ugly situation for the others who have to clean up afterwards.
Sven

Edited by Peter Pan 9/27/2013 2:58 PM
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Reardan Tom
Posted 9/27/2013 7:23 PM (#74277 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 1170
Location: Reardan, WA
In the heat of the summer here one often sees riders in flip flops, shorts and tank tops riding but they have their helmet on! Oblivious to how much of their body is unprotected. But that aside, in 1996 we lost a very good friend to a bike accident while riding in Montana. She was wearing a helmet. I've always been thankful that she was to alleviate the "if only she'd been wearing a helmet" from the conversation. And to keep that thought out of our minds for the rest of our lives. It was a fatal accident. Period. No "if only"s... Well, that's not true either. If only we'd have stopped earlier. If only we'd taken another route... If only...
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DIrvine
Posted 9/27/2013 11:57 PM (#74280 - in reply to #74277)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


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In 1986 , my girlfriend Billie Leonard was riding her motorcycle in Spokane. She had just turned off a major arterial on 57th and headed down a two lane hill on Hatch rd. She had entered the first curve at about 20 miles an hour and suddenly a car that was speeding up hill at 65mph (according to the police) saw her and braked and slid across the road and slammed into her, throwing her up in the air 6 feet (according to witnesses) and when she came slamming to the ground, she hit the back of her head on the pavement. She had just purchased a brand new Bell Magnum helmet the week before. It was credited with saving her life. She also suffered a broken leg and crushed ankle, but is able to ride her motorcycle with a sidecar on it to this day. Some people are not so lucky , a friend of hers had a motorcycle accident where a flatbed truck pulled out in front of her with no warning and she slammed in to it and was killed instantly. She was wearing a helmet, but it didn't help. Her neck was broken. But I must say that we still wear our helmets every time that we ride regardless of the state laws. Helmets don't save everyone, but they give the majority of us a better chance.
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Lloyd
Posted 9/29/2013 6:48 PM (#74301 - in reply to #74280)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 161
Location: Columbiaville, MI.
I'm not trying to put anyone down, that decides not to wear a helmet, but I kind of think of it as survival of the fittist. Those that choose to wear a helmet have a better chance of surviving. I also feel the same about seat belts, if people are smart enough to use the safety equipment, they have a better chance to live another day. That said I still refuse to wear a jacket in 100 degree weather, and instead ware a long sleeve blue jean shirt. I support the choice any one makes, and don't think the government should tell us what we have to do for our own good.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 9/29/2013 7:24 PM (#74302 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 1170
Location: Reardan, WA
Exactly Lloyd!!
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DIrvine
Posted 9/30/2013 6:04 PM (#74314 - in reply to #74302)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 15
Not to change the subject, but why don't the police and news media report if the person who is involved in an auto accident report if they were on a cell phone? They never hesitate to tell if a motorcyclist was wearing a helmet, yet never ever report if an auto accident was caused by the driver using a cell phone. A good percentage of the auto accidents here in Idaho are caused by drivers crossing the center line and striking the driver in the on coming lane. We have even seen motorcyclists here that are talking on a cell phone while riding their motorcycles. They hold on to the phone with one hand and the handlebar with the other. Scary!
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Bob Hunt
Posted 11/2/2013 10:10 PM (#74825 - in reply to #74301)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 241
Location: Boiling Springs, NC
Lloyd, I concur wholeheartedly with everything you've said but I wear a full face helmet every time I ride.
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Lloyd
Posted 11/2/2013 11:38 PM (#74826 - in reply to #74825)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 161
Location: Columbiaville, MI.
I agree Bob, and always wear a full face helmet, boots, and gloves when ever I ride. The only thing I won't wear is jacket in very hot weather, it is just too hot. I love this cooler weather we a getting now in Texas, and have been wearing a leather jacket for the last couple of weeks, love it.
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ETMTEd
Posted 11/14/2013 5:45 PM (#74980 - in reply to #74826)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 1
Location: Helena, MT
I guess to each his or her freedome to make there own choice. We have enough government mandated things that cost us more than we need to pay. But I also choose to were protective gear including a mesh coat when the temps get hot. A helmet is also a good choice especilly in city driving or at lower speeds it is always good to protect what brains you do have. They come in handy when you need to make a decision. An aquentance of mine was bumped from behind by a car and fell to the side bumped his head on the sidewalk and only had minor cuts and bruses but is living with brain damage and needs to be taken care of and will for the rest of his life. He usually wore his helmet when riding but did not have it on to go around the block.

I have had a few accidents that were at slower speeds and would have been a lot worse if I was not wearing protective gear. Sometimes fatal would be better. I have heard that stupid hurts and I know that is true from personal experiance. But we all should have the choice to do what we think is the right thing for us and those that are in our spheer of influance. The man should not have the atuhority to make our choices for us unless it involves the well being of someone that can not make there own choices that have no one to help them make them for them.

Have a Great Day!
Ed T.

Edited by ETMTEd 11/14/2013 5:50 PM
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timo482
Posted 1/1/2014 12:32 PM (#75507 - in reply to #74980)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 628
Location: Belle Plaine MN
well what its really all about is the cost to the taxpayer to take care of those who get hurt and need help the rest of there lives.

the staticians say that wearing helmets saves the government a lot of money - so they want folks to wear helmets

the states that have banned cell phones in cars and the trucking industry that has banned hand held phones in trucks are doing it because it saves them money

helmet laws have nothing to do with personal freedom and everything to do with who has to pay the bill for the injured

to
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J.R.
Posted 2/6/2014 3:18 PM (#76075 - in reply to #74272)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 355
Location: Crockett Tx
They neglect to say if a fatality was wearing a helmet. Should show both sides of a story. J.R. Tex rep
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Hack'n
Posted 2/6/2014 7:34 PM (#76078 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
They also neglect to say if they died from a head injury, or blunt force trauma.
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rayg
Posted 2/10/2014 12:59 PM (#76127 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 23
IMHO.
Let those who ride decide. Loud pipes save lives. Mandatory. Etc. Etc. Yadda Yadda Yadda. All alot of noise and fodder.
Imagine going to a motorcycle race, MotoGP, WSB, AMA, MotoX, SuperX, Flat Track, IOM - Sidecar Races and no one was wearing a helmet? Every racer was in a tee shirt and sneakers. Would you think that was Ok?
So what is the difference on the street? How about some ReeBok Wheelie Slippers?
Don't really care what you say or do....

I'll be wearing my gear, Shoei helmet, Vanson - w/armor, Held Gloves, AlpineStar boots, etc. etc. Love my StoneLake Leathers too.

I walked away from hitting a deer at 50 mph. Was it my gear or my Guardian Angel? Maybe a little of both !! Lived to tell the tale. And not much of a tale to tell !!
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Hack'n
Posted 2/10/2014 5:04 PM (#76139 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
Main difference is that in racing everyone's going the same way on the same course at about the same speed. Plus they're focused upon driving.

Not so on the road.
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rayg
Posted 2/10/2014 5:27 PM (#76140 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 23
So are you saying it is safer? So they should be wearing Reebok Wheelie Slippers and tee shirts at the race track? Drag racers wear full suits, etc., only 2 on the track going in the same direction, about the same speed.


Herein lies the argumentative conversation. Here it comes !!

With all the gear, the AMA and riders still decided to not race at Loudon, NH. Too dangerous. No run off. NASCAR walls. etc.

If bicyclists should wear helmets, should not motorcyclists?

If you take a rider safety course, your insurance company gives you a discount. Funny, they don't give discounts for wearing helmets..... Bad actuaries.....

So what is the threshold of when your head hits something and you get a concussion? I don't think pro football players should wear helmets either. You know, since they have been wearing better helmets, they use their heads as tackling equipment resulting in some really bad result.

It's all crazy.

I don't know about yous guys, but, I'll be wearing my stuff.

Happy trails !! Be safe !!
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Peter Pan
Posted 2/11/2014 8:57 AM (#76150 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law



Posts: 1904
Location: San Isidro de Heredia, Costa Rica
2 week ago i riped of with the Ural's left back flasher the bumper of a Nissan Xtrail. that was the 3 contact to another vehicle in 32 years bike riding. and perhaps the 8th ocassion I had a misshap on a bike.So should I think about not to use protection gear? I don't think so. I prefer to sweat under my back protector and heavy gear just for in case. The 2 occasions the sline protector in 28 years wearing it. were well paid off and I am glad not to ride in a wheel chair...
Someone once offered me his fists to pass through my face because in town I asked him to use a helmet. I still think he was the dummy not me.

We see here in Costa Rica at least once a week some young show off going 2 yards under ground because of stupidities. Sadly there is not any medicine available against stupidity.
Simple plain fact.
Sven
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dticesr
Posted 3/24/2014 6:58 PM (#76947 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 2
Location: Sunland,Ca
Im an old school biker, been riding since the early fifties, we never used to wear helmets, but in 1994 I had a wreck in the mountains north of Ojai, Ca. Thank God I had a helmet on, went flying off the side of the road, and landed on my left side and noggin, the helmet was cracked but no head damage, just broken ribs, broken collar bone, and a broken knee, am now wearing a helmet everytime I throw a leg over. I am now riding a VStar 1100 with a california Hack
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DIrvine
Posted 3/24/2014 11:59 PM (#76950 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 15
I had an accident in October, 2013. I was riding my ATV, when suddenly I blacked out and fell off onto the rocky dirt road. My pant leg caught on my foot peg and I was drug 10 ft, all the while my head was bouncing along on the rocks. I suffered a concussion, but if I had not had a helmet on, I most likely would have suffered brain damage, or death. I never ride my motorcycle or my ATV without a helmet.
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Baluner1
Posted 5/12/2014 7:39 PM (#77677 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 7
Location: Ocala, Fl
I've been riding since the mid "60's". I heard and read, hundreds of thoughts regarding the wearing, and not wearing, of helmets. I've lived in states where helmets were mandatory and in states where they were optional. Personally, I choose and require my passengers to, wear helmets. I don't have the luxury of my hair blowing in the breeze. It's long gone. But, I do have the right to make a choice. My choice. Let common sense prevail so that we don't have states legislating what we should, or should not, wear. Drive smart!! Ride smart!!
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Baluner1
Posted 5/12/2014 7:39 PM (#77678 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 7
Location: Ocala, Fl
I've been riding since the mid "60's". I heard and read, hundreds of thoughts regarding the wearing, and not wearing, of helmets. I've lived in states where helmets were mandatory and in states where they were optional. Personally, I choose and require my passengers to, wear helmets. I don't have the luxury of my hair blowing in the breeze. It's long gone. But, I do have the right to make a choice. My choice. Let common sense prevail so that we don't have states legislating what we should, or should not, wear. Drive smart!! Ride smart!!
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swoody126
Posted 5/13/2014 11:38 AM (#77681 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: RE: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 24
Location: DFW
the horror stories go on & on...

& the individual's rights arguments are close on their heels

in TEXAS, the option, i believe, comes w/ a proviso

that proviso requires an increased amount of insurance, allegedly, to cover the care for the rider(s) who chose not to wear proper/protective head gear

the above comment about the issue being about money is, probably, the real basis for the laws and not any concern for the welfare of the individual and, certainly, not any wish, by government, to manage/control/restrict individual's rights

SIMPLE ECONOMICS

the less the government has to pay for the care of an accident victim, the less the rest of us have to pay in taxes

SIMPLE ECONOMICS

just this old man's opinion

sw
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jkmolt
Posted 5/13/2014 11:49 AM (#77682 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 195
Location: Portland, Oregon
SW, you hit the nail right on the head!
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Baluner1
Posted 5/13/2014 12:04 PM (#77683 - in reply to #74258)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 7
Location: Ocala, Fl
I agree Steve. It's always about the "doe rae me"!
It seems like a long time ago that I worked for a larger shipping company. (Damn, it was!) As drivers, we were trained to drive safely and responsibly. They had a formula for success that went something like this: 1. Keep your eyes moving. 2. Get the big picture. 3. Make sure THEY see you. 4. Always leave yourself an out. 5. Aim high in steering. To review their formula for driving success, I will go over them, one by one. 1>Keep your eyes moving-Don't stare or focus on one thing. Accidents can happen pretty fast if you don't already know this. 2>Get the big picture-What's going on in front of you, behind you and to either side. 3>Make sure that they see you-Are you wearing reflective clothing. Are your lights on and do they work properly. Use your horn to get their attention. How about eye contact with the driver of that vehicle that wants to pull out in your lane. 4>Leave yourself an out-Did you leave yourself plenty of room to change lanes quickly. It you best bud riding up next to you so that you can't move safely. Are you tail gaiting? (I need a skull and crossbones for that one.) 5>Aim high in steering-Don't look at the road 100' in front of you. Look hundreds of yards ahead and you will find it easier to steer and keep yourself safely in your lane.


"Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out the window."
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swoody126
Posted 5/13/2014 12:36 PM (#77684 - in reply to #77683)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 24
Location: DFW
Baluner1 - 5/13/2014 11:04 AM

I agree Steve. It's always about the "doe rae me"!
It seems like a long time ago that I worked for a larger shipping company. (Damn, it was!) As drivers, we were trained to drive safely and responsibly. They had a formula for success that went something like this: 1. Keep your eyes moving. 2. Get the big picture. 3. Make sure THEY see you. 4. Always leave yourself an out. 5. Aim high in steering. To review their formula for driving success, I will go over them, one by one. 1>Keep your eyes moving-Don't stare or focus on one thing. Accidents can happen pretty fast if you don't already know this. 2>Get the big picture-What's going on in front of you, behind you and to either side. 3>Make sure that they see you-Are you wearing reflective clothing. Are your lights on and do they work properly. Use your horn to get their attention. How about eye contact with the driver of that vehicle that wants to pull out in your lane. 4>Leave yourself an out-Did you leave yourself plenty of room to change lanes quickly. It you best bud riding up next to you so that you can't move safely. Are you tail gaiting? (I need a skull and crossbones for that one.) 5>Aim high in steering-Don't look at the road 100' in front of you. Look hundreds of yards ahead and you will find it easier to steer and keep yourself safely in your lane.


"Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out the window."


not at all different from what i used to teach in DRIVER'S ED, here in TEXAS

always good to have a REMINDER/REFRESHER

thx

sw
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Rob98801
Posted 7/7/2014 11:34 AM (#78671 - in reply to #77684)
Subject: Re: Mandatory helmet law


Posts: 25
Location: North Central Washington State
At one time I worked in Lewiston, ID and lived in Clarkston, WA. Washington required Helmets and Idaho did not. Both states still follow the same rules. At least once a month one of my coworkers who lived in Idaho would start the argument over me being forced to wear a helmet. He insisted he had his rights. A minor car motorcycle accident left Steve's widow holding onto two small children. The last thing I said to Steve as they lowered him down was "No one is going to make you wear that helmet now".
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