Hacks In The Innauguration
ncdave
Posted 1/20/2017 11:00 AM (#92042)
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just watching the live feed. never noticed before, but saw the police bikes all running sidecars. I wonder if that's a winter season thing. usually you see them with two wheels instead of three.
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jwshort
Posted 1/20/2017 11:13 AM (#92043 - in reply to #92042)
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You beat me to it Dave. I was just proofing the latest issue of the Sidecarist and my wife (and faithful sidecar passenger) called my attention to the Presidential entourage led by those white Harley rigs. (I didn't get a count) I was impressed.
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Tourist
Posted 1/21/2017 9:35 AM (#92055 - in reply to #92042)
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Loved the coverage. Sidecars on Parade!
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IndSlim
Posted 1/21/2017 10:28 AM (#92058 - in reply to #92042)
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Hack'n
Posted 1/21/2017 10:48 AM (#92059 - in reply to #92042)
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No Kawasakis there.
Harley has been furnishing their sidehack rigs for escort duty for presidents and other in and around Washington, DC for about 100 years.


Go Harley!!!!

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DRONE
Posted 1/21/2017 11:05 PM (#92068 - in reply to #92042)
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I seem to recall talking to Pete Larsen at Liberty Sidecars in Seattle last year and him saying that he was filling some giant order for sidecars for the DC police. My memory's a little hazy about the details, but were they Liberty sidecars at the inauguration?
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Sidewise
Posted 1/22/2017 10:13 AM (#92070 - in reply to #92068)
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My son is a USSS Officer, DC Police, Park Police and USSSUD all operate sidecars in the winter. See the article for info on the iconic HD marque.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/could-iconic-poli...



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Hack'n
Posted 1/22/2017 10:45 AM (#92071 - in reply to #92068)
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They were Harley Motor Co.TLE's.
The Liberty cars are much nicer and have full suspension, unlike the rigid mounted Harley cars. Apparently less expensive.

A good alternative.

Lonnie Cook,
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jaydmc
Posted 1/23/2017 10:59 AM (#92081 - in reply to #92042)
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Yes the DC parks department runs sidecars in the winter and they do the presidential escort duty. They put them out to bid but pretty much had chosen the Liberty sidecars and as such wrote the bid notice so that the only sidecars that could meet the bid were Liberty sidecars. The bid notification was obviously written by some one who knew little about sidecars (or proper English) as in one sentence the body was referred to as the body the bucket and the boat. We offered a sidecar that would have worked better for police duty at less money but it was not what they had decided on before they even put it to bid. I was not willing to mount the bodies on leaf springs that really serve no purpose on a sidecar frame with full suspension nor could I see any reason why we had to mount the turn signal to the spring. The fact that when the emailed me to ask for a bid they kept referring to me a Pete (the name of the owner of Liberty sidecars) was a clear indication that they had already chosen the sidecar they wanted. There were many other oddities about the bid request. Yes I am bitter about this, I put a lot of time and effort into the bid, it would have been good work and saved all of us tax payers money and given tax payers a better tool for the job. The TLE sidecars are being phased out as Harley does not offer mounts for the water cooled bikes.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 1/23/2017 12:53 PM (#92084 - in reply to #92042)
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Much like the election, Jay, bitterness won't change anything. Time to keep smilin' and move forward.
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glen
Posted 1/23/2017 3:17 PM (#92087 - in reply to #92042)
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I loved the hacks in the parade but I live in a state where anybody on the bike or in the hack must have a helmet on I think its wrong for the cop to be have one on but the kids in the hack in new York that will earn you a ticket
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J.R.
Posted 1/23/2017 4:57 PM (#92088 - in reply to #92087)
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When I was in Tacoma Wa. in the service,fiest snow brought out the police sidecars.
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Peter Pan
Posted 1/24/2017 10:54 AM (#92091 - in reply to #92042)
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Tom, You bring up a good point:
I always wondered in CR economics goes well when Liberacion rules and down when Pusc rules...
The Pusc has the better businessmen who concentrate on what they do best when the Liberacion is in charge.
Liberacion has the best blood suckers and chair leg cutters so they come to their best efectivity when they are on the opposition bench.
So. for right now there is only one thing to do.
Concentrate on what you do best and try to make the best out of the bad.
No need for wheening. Nobody will wait for us.
https://youtu.be/G25KibS40e0
The first dumb things have been done already, so let's worry about the things with the highest priority first.
Here we go: Wrap up the sleeves!
https://youtu.be/DboaxvDXZ2Y
Good luck to all.
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dawg gone
Posted 1/24/2017 12:20 PM (#92093 - in reply to #92081)
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jay you must remember who was in charge of the government at the time of the bid .
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Reardan Tom
Posted 1/25/2017 10:43 AM (#92108 - in reply to #92042)
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As most of you know, I run a Liberty on my FLH and count Pete and Patty on my list of friends. Not being members of USCA, they don't spend much if any time on the forum and don't believe this is the place to promote their product. When ever I see a thread that might be of interest to them, I call it to their attention. After doing just that with this thread, I received this e-mail from Patty~
Tom,

F.Y.I.: During the request for bids, the value of the contract was set forth publicly by the GSA as $60K. It may only be a coincidence that DMC’s bid was $59,998.98, just about a buck less than the Gov. wanted to spend. This is why I don’t follow the argument about saving the taxpayer’s money. Our bid was several thousand dollars less.

I have to add that flying to DC and working with the US Park Police to attach the sidecars was one of the highlights of my career. Thanks!

Sincerely,

Pete Larsen, Patty Billings
Owners, Liberty Sidecars


http://www.libertysidecars.us
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Al Olme
Posted 1/25/2017 11:24 AM (#92110 - in reply to #92108)
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I can see where this might be headed and I want to put all parties on notice that we will not have a war here. Please keep to the original topic, not contracts, not pricing and definitely not who said what when.
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jaydmc
Posted 1/25/2017 11:58 AM (#92112 - in reply to #92042)
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Interesting that a competitor was given my bid but I was not told what my competitors bid was.
I had also offered ways for the bid to be significantly less as I put in two bids, one as out lined in their notice for bid and one for a product that would have worked better for them at a significantly lower price.
Jay G
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Hack'n
Posted 1/25/2017 12:04 PM (#92115 - in reply to #92042)
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Win some, Lose some. Just like the last election. All you can do is give it your best shot and hope for a level playing field.
Many times the outcome is predetermined.

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Reardan Tom
Posted 1/25/2017 1:21 PM (#92116 - in reply to #92042)
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One final note as a clarification only and then I'll comment no more on this. I agree with Al Olme and it's not my desire to turn this thread into an unintended debate. The final comment from Pete and Patty~

Tom -

To set the record straight:

We were forwarded the results of the bid opening after the contract was awarded - not before! Results are always forwarded to all parties concerned, furthermore GSA puts this in the public record.

We feel the original posting is an attack on both our integrity & that of the National Park Service. We would be perfectly happy to see all references to this contract, including the original posting, expunged from the forum.

Pete & Patty
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jaydmc
Posted 1/25/2017 1:39 PM (#92117 - in reply to #92042)
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Nothing at all against Liberty sidecars. They make a great sidecar. I do take issue with the parks department. I have in the past also had the opportunity to bid for their business when Harley was still making sidecars, they wrote the bid such, very specifically such that only a Harley sidecar could fulfill the bid requirements. This is not how competitive bidding is suppose to be done, the bid should be put out listing the requirements for the item needed be it a sidecar, a ship, airplane or anything else and see what the industry comes up with. The product that is being bid on should not before the bid is put out have been decided on who is going to manufacture it and as such who is going to win the bid. This is not the way GSA contracts and bidding is suppose to be done. I was only given the opportunity to bid on this as they mistakenly contacted me thinking they were contacting Liberty as such they kept calling me Pete.
Jay G
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IndSlim
Posted 1/25/2017 5:12 PM (#92124 - in reply to #92110)
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Al Olme - 1/25/2017 11:24 AM I can see where this might be headed and I want to put all parties on notice that we will not have a war here. Please keep to the original topic, not contracts, not pricing and definitely not who said what when.

And yet there were five more posts that were not on the original topic........

 

 

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Al Olme
Posted 1/25/2017 5:40 PM (#92125 - in reply to #92124)
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Hoping that folks will let this die without having to stomp it out as Admin. We generally allow quite a bit of slack because we feel that less management is better than more but if things get out of hand we'll freeze the thread and put all the posters on moderation. That's more work for us and we don't like censorship in principle.
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Peter Pan
Posted 1/25/2017 8:25 PM (#92132 - in reply to #92042)
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I quote dear friend Tom: " Time to keep smilin' and move forward."

And for to get back on OP:
As someone who has passed quite a few years as year round rider on 2 and 3 wheels before emigration into warmer spaces: I prefer for safety and manuverablity reasons the rig way over any 4 wheeler in ice and snow.
In those years I got a special training from a border control police driving teacher...Guess what? He too prefered the 3 wheeled rig in winter, respectively the Unimog.
Sven
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Peter Pan
Posted 1/25/2017 8:33 PM (#92133 - in reply to #92042)
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I quote dear friend Tom: " Time to keep smilin' and move forward."

And for to get back on OP:
As someone who has passed quite a few years as year round rider on 2 and 3 wheels before emigration into warmer spaces: I prefer for safety and manuverablity reasons the rig way over any 4 wheeler in ice and snow.
In those years I got a special training from a border control police driving teacher...Guess what? He too prefered the 3 wheeled rig in winter, respectively the Unimog.

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And in relation to the side stray Jay mentioned: Same story here and for the local Jawa-importer friend Fernando costed it not only his retirement fund, but he had to work for 15 year longer way into his pension age.
Up front arranged public bits not only cost the tax payers, but serious money to suffering competitors. I kept quiet and smiled to myself...the big world is not much different from the small 3rd world.

Been there, suffered it myself.

Sven

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jwshort
Posted 1/25/2017 10:34 PM (#92140 - in reply to #92042)
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You didn't step on any toes. You made an observation. It was a worthy observation. Thank you.
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roadglider
Posted 1/26/2017 10:06 AM (#92147 - in reply to #92042)
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I too enjoyed seeing all the hacks in the Inaugural parade. Mine is a TLE on a road king. I thought they used them a) because they were moving so slow it would be difficult to stay in formation on 2 wheels, and b) they probable had well-armed Secret Service agents crouched under the tonneau covers inside those sidecars in case it got dicey with protesters....
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