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SidecarMike
Posted 1/12/2011 9:23 PM (#55459)
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There are frequently inquiries from people looking for parts for California sidecars.  As we know, the company is not usually very helpful.  As such, I have decided to start my own list of replacement parts.

So far, we have determined that the taillight for the Friendship 3 is from a 1986-91 Accura Integra

The front lens for the same model is from a 1886-1991 Volvo 480ES

The electric lift actuator is a Warner D12-20B5-04, also known as an Thomson Electrak 10 , 1000lb capacity, 4 inch stroke.  This also works on the Friendship 2SE.

The Friendship 2 SE and 3 share a common frame.  Actually two common frames, a large one for the Goldwing and and a small one for everything else.  Dauntless, at www.mysidecar.com sells the pieces to increase the smaller frame to the dimensions needed for the  Goldwing.  Here is a shot of the frame with the extension welded in place.

 

Mine requires a four bolt rim with a 65 mm center hole and 100mm bolt pattern.   Honda Civic-1980 to 1996?  Not sure about the center hole or offset.

I have a Brembo brake caliper, but have not yet come up with a number for the shock, caliper, rotor, or pads.  While mine is apart, I'll try to get numbers for these and for all the bearings.

 Thanks in advance, for any part numbers or interchanges you may have.

Don't limit it to my Friendship 3, but to all Californias.  If anyone has come up with lenses for the old Cal 1, there are a number of people interested.

Check back often, I will edit this post as I get more information.

The seat belts are generic lap belts with soft pliable fabric, a black buckle, and a red button labeled PRESS.  They are much like an old Pontiac or Mustang had.  The ones in my car are labeled, Beams Industries Inc.  OKC USA   Model 1201 

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VLAD
Posted 1/13/2011 9:50 AM (#55468 - in reply to #55459)
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Thank you. Very needed info.
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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/13/2011 12:43 PM (#55469 - in reply to #55459)
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Mike - timely post! I very recently bought a used Friendship II that I'll be installing on my GL1100. It has the lift actuator, but no switch or switch harness. No biggie - I think I can cobble a switch mechanism up that'll work just fine. It does not have a brake assy tho. Anything you can tell me about retrofitting a brake onto it?

Daryl
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SidecarMike
Posted 1/13/2011 1:21 PM (#55471 - in reply to #55469)
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I've never tried, Daryl.  I can post photos of the hub and brake assembly, and any numbers that I find, but that's all I can do.

Surely someone else here has done it before and will pipe in.

I wired a switch for my old Motorvation.  It was a simple Momentary ON-OFF-ON switch from the parts house.  There are only two wires coming off of the actuator.  Reversing the polarity causes it to move in the opposite direction.

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/13/2011 5:36 PM (#55481 - in reply to #55471)
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Thanks Mike - yes, it'd be good to see what the brake setup looks like. Nice to know the P/Ns of the various pieces - big thanks for that. I'd imagine those tilt actuators don't last forever. I picked up a large toggle switch yesterday that'll probably work perfectly for controlling the tilt. Is there normally a relay in the circuit?

Daryl
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Posted 1/13/2011 7:17 PM (#55484 - in reply to #55481)
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Daryl Martel - 1/13/2011 2:36 PM

Thanks Mike - yes, it'd be good to see what the brake setup looks like. Nice to know the P/Ns of the various pieces - big thanks for that. I'd imagine those tilt actuators don't last forever. I picked up a large toggle switch yesterday that'll probably work perfectly for controlling the tilt. Is there normally a relay in the circuit?

Daryl


I don't have an actuator but in general, I would always use relays and fuses whenever there is any current to be carried in the circuit. If the actuator pulls more than 10 amps (a starter pulls 100 or more on a Harley) then the relay will proptect your toggle switch and cause only minimal current to flow through the switch.

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SidecarMike
Posted 1/13/2011 8:16 PM (#55489 - in reply to #55484)
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The manufacturer rates it at 3.8 amps at maximum load, so it probably isn't a problem.  Just the same, a relay never hurts.

http://www.mptdrives.com/ElectrakLinearActuator.pdf

 

 

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/13/2011 9:54 PM (#55491 - in reply to #55459)
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The switch I have in mind is rated 15 A at 115V - I think a relay may be overkill. I'm having a hard time visualizing how to connect this switch to reverse current to the DC actuator motor tho - anybody got a simple schematic?
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SidecarMike
Posted 1/13/2011 10:06 PM (#55492 - in reply to #55491)
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Daryl Martel - 1/13/2011 8:54 PM The switch I have in mind is rated 15 A at 115V - I think a relay may be overkill. I'm having a hard time visualizing how to connect this switch to reverse current to the DC actuator motor tho - anybody got a simple schematic?

I saved this from when I did the Motorvation on my Guzzi.  It is from Ehow.com

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•Identify the terminals on your three-way, double-pole switch. There will be two rows of three terminals each. Looking at the switch with the terminals facing towards you, we will refer to the top row of terminals as "1," "2" and "3" and the bottom row as "4," "5" and "6."

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Strip about 1/4 inch of insulation off the end of a wire and solder it to terminal "1." Repeat this process with a second piece of wire, soldering it to terminal "4."

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Strip the ends of a short piece of wire and use it to connect terminal "1" to terminal "6." Solder the ends in place.

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Strip the ends of a short piece of wire and use it to connect terminal "4" to terminal "3." Solder the wire's ends in place.

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Solder a wire to terminal "2" and connect it to the positive terminal on the DC motor. Likewise, solder a wire to terminal "5" and connect it to the negative terminal on the motor.

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Connect the wire coming from terminal "1" on the switch to the positive battery terminal. Connect the wire attached to terminal "4" to the negative battery terminal.

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Use the three-way switch to select motor operation. The middle position is the "off" position. The two outside switch positions select between "forward" and "reverse" motor operation.


http://www.ehow.com/how_5811592_wire-reversible-dc-electric-motor.html#ixzz1AyVZ83nN

 

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It worked for me.

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/13/2011 10:16 PM (#55493 - in reply to #55459)
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Thnx Mike - I saved that one to Notepad! My switch has only 3 terminal lug contacts... will look for toggle with 6.
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SidecarMike
Posted 1/13/2011 10:20 PM (#55494 - in reply to #55493)
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added a diagram
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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/14/2011 7:00 AM (#55497 - in reply to #55459)
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Saw that - Thnx. saved that pix too.
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Posted 1/14/2011 3:00 PM (#55503 - in reply to #55459)
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Thanks, guys. Great information here for keeping the old hack on the road. I'll be checking this thread often and printing what I need to keep my Friendship III going. Again, thanks for doing a great service for the whole California Sidecar community.

Bill
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SidecarMike
Posted 1/14/2011 5:18 PM (#55507 - in reply to #55459)
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A little more info.

If your F2 or F3 has the Brembo Brake Caliper using a pad with two fixing holes, the part numbers for pads are as follows;

The original Brembo Part number is  07BB1205. This crosses to;

EBC FA 115

SBS 559

Lucas MCB535

Vesrah VD946

or Dennis Kirk #195189





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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/14/2011 11:48 PM (#55513 - in reply to #55459)
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Mike - I'm assuming that the brake caliper is hydraulic operated... by a hydraulic line connected with a double banjo fitting to the rear brake cylinder? Same rear brake pedal operates both rear & sidecar brake, correct? I apologize for my ignorance, but no kidding, I've seen so very few sidecars over the years.
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SidecarMike
Posted 1/21/2011 5:47 PM (#55682 - in reply to #55513)
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Daryl Martel - 1/14/2011 10:48 PM Mike - I'm assuming that the brake caliper is hydraulic operated... by a hydraulic line connected with a double banjo fitting to the rear brake cylinder? Same rear brake pedal operates both rear & sidecar brake, correct? I apologize for my ignorance, but no kidding, I've seen so very few sidecars over the years.

Yes, the factory setup calls for the line to be spliced in to the existing brakes with a single pedal.  I'm told a lot of people do it to the front brake, but it is recommended to add it to the rear. 

The banjo bolt required is a 10X1.25 and looks like this;

 

 

This is usually installed by removing the one on the master cylinder or caliper, and replacing it with this one and the banjo.

 I've gotten a few emails from people who say I should not be listing interchanges and such, that I am somehow cheating the company that built the sidecar.  Let me repeat that California Sidecar Company no longer builds sidecars.

  If you call with a sidecar question, the usual response is simply "We no longer do sidecars".  If you are lucky, Scott will answer the phone.  He appears to be the only employee who had anything to do with them.  He will help you get information, but can not get you parts. 

I would not be doing this, nor need to, if the parts were still readily available from the manufacturer.

Mike

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/21/2011 5:53 PM (#55684 - in reply to #55459)
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Thnx Mike - I'm pretty sure I'll be sourcing a brake for my car. Am upgrading to stainless flex hoses too - my brakes are just too soft. I want to maximize stopping power... gotta really hit the binders hard once in a while here in city traffic! I'd imagine driving without a brake on the sidecar can be a little exciting at times!
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Posted 1/21/2011 6:49 PM (#55685 - in reply to #55682)
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On 1500 Goldving you have to connect sidecar brake to the front brake. Rear alredy linked to front left caliper.
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Posted 1/21/2011 6:51 PM (#55686 - in reply to #55682)
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SidecarMike - 1/21/2011 5:47 PM

I've gotten a few emails from people who say I should not be listing interchanges and such, that I am somehow cheating the company that built the sidecar.  Let me repeat that California Sidecar Company no longer builds sidecars>



Thanks for listing interchanges. Calls to California end up with no help at all... Do you know where to get rear light(smaller) for older Frendship 3?

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SidecarMike
Posted 1/21/2011 7:08 PM (#55687 - in reply to #55686)
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VLAD - 1/21/2011 5:51 PM
SidecarMike - 1/21/2011 5:47 PM I've gotten a few emails from people who say I should not be listing interchanges and such, that I am somehow cheating the company that built the sidecar.  Let me repeat that California Sidecar Company no longer builds sidecars>
Thanks for listing interchanges. Calls to California end up with no help at all... Do you know where to get rear light(smaller) for older Frendship 3?

I haven't seen what they look like.  Can you post a photo?  Maybe we can figure it out.

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/21/2011 7:12 PM (#55688 - in reply to #55459)
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Mike - re having "gotten a few emails from people who say I should not be listing interchanges and such, that I am somehow cheating the company that built the sidecar." They should mind their own business. Everyone buys motorcycle and automobile parts wherever. Nothing wrong from sourcing parts where you can. Internet & mailorder have changed everything.
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gnm109
Posted 1/21/2011 7:39 PM (#55689 - in reply to #55688)
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Daryl Martel - 1/21/2011 4:12 PM

Mike - re having "gotten a few emails from people who say I should not be listing interchanges and such, that I am somehow cheating the company that built the sidecar." They should mind their own business. Everyone buys motorcycle and automobile parts wherever. Nothing wrong from sourcing parts where you can. Internet & mailorder have changed everything.


Absolutely. Any source for parts is perfectly OK, especially since the company is either out of business or has quit building sidecars. In effect, there's no one left to care.

The same thing is going to happen with Harley sidecars in a few years since they quit taking orders for them this year.

Like you say, people should mind their own business.

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SidecarMike
Posted 1/21/2011 8:02 PM (#55694 - in reply to #55459)
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Thanks guys.  I'm working on photos of the brake and electric lean.  I'll post them in a day or two.
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Posted 1/21/2011 9:35 PM (#55699 - in reply to #55459)
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Here's a couple of early FSI taillight pix.
The lenses used to be available at truck stops.

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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/21/2011 9:51 PM (#55700 - in reply to #55699)
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My Friendship II I just bought.



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SidecarMike
Posted 1/21/2011 10:31 PM (#55701 - in reply to #55699)
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Hack'n - 1/21/2011 8:35 PM Here's a couple of early FSI taillight pix. The lenses used to be available at truck stops.

Thanks Lonnie.  I never was able to find replacements for Jennifer's lenses.  We finally enlarged the holes and used different lights all together. 

Anyone out there have a photo of a Formula 2SE or 3 with the short taillight?

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SidecarMike
Posted 2/20/2011 4:55 PM (#56269 - in reply to #55700)
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Slowly but surely, the marraige is taking shape

 

Of course, I'm about ready for a test drive, so we have a major winter event taking place outside.  Oh well, I'll just have to clear the driveway before we go. 

 

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Daryl Martel
Posted 2/20/2011 7:20 PM (#56273 - in reply to #55459)
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Nice. They really look made for each other (styling wise). What does a guy have to fabricate in the way of adaptor mounts to hang a sidecar on a GL1500? Am considering that upgrade myself (ahem - don't tell the wife!).
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Posted 2/20/2011 7:34 PM (#56274 - in reply to #56273)
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With all the bodywork involved, it doesn't pay to reinvent the wheel.  Buy a mounting kit from someplace like Dauntless, designed to mate your sidecar.  It came with templates that made it easy.  I had to drill out the front passenger handhold, drill a 1 1/4" hole in the front lower panel, and cut an access in the lower cowl.  The front upper mount is just a clamp on the frame, but the other three are subframes.

 

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Daryl Martel
Posted 2/20/2011 7:53 PM (#56275 - in reply to #56274)
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Thnx Mike - I had Peter & Brock at Side Effects make me the adaptor brackets I needed for my GL1100. I've gotta do a little fitting and am going to get the rear bracket assembly professionally welded up and powder coated. I agree, why take a chance on something so critical. Am just curious to see the various engineering solutions - it's the aircraft mechanic in me :^)
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Posted 2/20/2011 8:14 PM (#56276 - in reply to #55459)
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I'll be uploading a bunch of photos in a few days.  I also have factory mounting instructions for the mid 80's Yamaha Venture, the 1988 -2000 Honda Goldwing, and a 2002 and newer Harley Davidson FL's.  I'll try to upload them somewhere as well.
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Posted 2/24/2011 4:42 PM (#56347 - in reply to #55459)
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That setup looks familiar! LOL. Going to have to save this thread for future reference

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SidecarMike
Posted 2/24/2011 5:44 PM (#56348 - in reply to #56347)
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billy_bob169 - 2/24/2011 3:42 PM That setup looks familiar! LOL. Going to have to save this thread for future reference

 

Welcome Billy Bob.  When you get tired of that thing, I'll make you the same offer I made it's previous owner.

If you come up with anything to add to this thread, by all means do so.  And if you know anyone interested in a nice 99 Guzzi, I still have it too.

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Posted 2/25/2011 10:01 AM (#56351 - in reply to #55459)
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Will do man. So far, the things I have been researching are more goldwing related than sidecar related. tires, shocks, etc. I am missing the side zip out panels for my soft top though. I will see if I can find them, but highly doubt it. The other information is great though!! Anyone have a sevice manul for the car?
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Posted 2/25/2011 10:51 AM (#56352 - in reply to #56351)
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I have all the original paperwork that came with mine when it was new.  No manual, but a bunch of copied pages.  I could also make some sidecurtain patterns for you.
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Posted 2/25/2011 12:31 PM (#56354 - in reply to #55459)
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Thanks! For now, I am good with out the side curtains. But I might take you up on that at some point. If you ever scan the paperwork, I would be interested in that. No rush though
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Posted 2/25/2011 3:24 PM (#56355 - in reply to #55459)
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For side curtains you might try a place that makes curtains & covers for boats & custom cars. I had a custom tounneau cover made for my Escort for when I didn't want to put on the convertible top.
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Posted 2/25/2011 3:34 PM (#56357 - in reply to #56355)
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WinginCamera - 2/25/2011 2:24 PM For side curtains you might try a place that makes curtains & covers for boats & custom cars. I had a custom tounneau cover made for my Escort for when I didn't want to put on the convertible top.

 

Has anyone out there had one made for a Friendship 3?   My wife doesn't like riding under the convertible top, so I was thinking about something quick and easy to snap on and off.

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Posted 2/25/2011 8:56 PM (#56358 - in reply to #56357)
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SidecarMike - 2/25/2011 3:34 PM

Has anyone out there had one made for a Friendship 3?   My wife doesn't like riding under the convertible top, so I was thinking about something quick and easy to snap on and off.



Like I said above, find a local shop that makes custom tounneau covers for pickups & convertibles. The shop that made mine used the existing snaps around the sides and back that the convertible top used, and added more snaps on the shelf behind the windshield. I asked them to tailer the cover to fit the contour of the cockpit which on my Champion Escort is slightly higher over the back seat cushion and the front windshield area. This way if the cover is fully snapped down water will not pool toward the front under the windshield.

We like it for being able to quickly cover the cockpit when stopped, keeping things out of sight, and the sun off of the seat (or rain if the top is not on. When traveling without a passenger I just snap it in place to hide what every is in the sidecar.
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Posted 4/1/2011 8:56 PM (#57070 - in reply to #55459)
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We just got a little more information!

This is copied from a post by Fellow member Brockoli.

Rear is a 1988-ish Peugeot 205 GTi right rear tail light. The later Friendship 3 used the Acura integra light. The early production years from California Sidecars used the Peugeot lights until the molds were changed over to a readily available light in the north american market. Hope this helps

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Posted 5/10/2011 2:01 AM (#57756 - in reply to #55700)
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Daryl Martel - 1/21/2011 9:51 PM

My Friendship II I just bought.
I just bought the same sidecar with the top but missing the pole for the top.
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Posted 5/13/2011 11:27 AM (#57809 - in reply to #55700)
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I'll try this again, I am new to this forum and not sure how to post a photo.

Daryl, yours looks just like the one I just bought. On ebay it was listed as a Friendship II, but now that I got it home and looking over it I am not sure. What is the difference between the CSC FI and FII?



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Posted 5/13/2011 12:18 PM (#57810 - in reply to #55459)
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The FS I had no cockpit opening for easy entry. One has to climb in over the top.
The FS II front upper body section lifts for passenger entry (hinged at the front body seam).
Your sidecar nose is intact and the opening is farther back. It appears to be a FS I that has been modified to open for easier entry.

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Posted 5/13/2011 12:34 PM (#57811 - in reply to #57810)
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Thanks for the info Lonnie. If it was modified, it was a very good job. Everything around the opening including the hydraulic lift looks like a factory job? The lift has lost its pizazz and I am using a stick to hold it open whilst working on it. Still gathering info on connecting it to the BMW and have been in touch with Jay at DMC.
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Posted 5/13/2011 12:37 PM (#57812 - in reply to #55459)
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Boatso & Lonnie - Hi, I'm on TDY down in Indianapolis at the moment. Yes, this sidecar you bought is virtually identicle to mine. Pretty sure it's a Friendship II. Lonnie, I think the full opening front opening upper body section was introduced with the SE model. Here's a link to their site: http://www.californiasidecar.com/sidecars_friendship.html My GL1100 is unfortunately still at the Honda dealer. Brought it in for a safety inspection, head gasket & timing belt replacement, and a few days ago on the day I was to pick it up, it debeloped a starter issue (starter spins but engine doesn't - stuck starter clutch) that'll keep it in the shop longer. Am dying to get the sidecar installed. Bought a 2nd bike to tide me over! Boatso, nice looking sidecar you got there, although personally I'd lose the parade float back end.
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Posted 5/17/2011 6:48 PM (#57904 - in reply to #55459)
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Hi all, I've acquired an 82 GL1100 Friendship 3. Near as I can tell it does not have the longer sidecar frame add-on. (sidecar was purchased in92 and installed 3rd party) What if any are the ramifications of not having the longer frame? Thanks, Dave
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Posted 5/17/2011 8:27 PM (#57906 - in reply to #57904)
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The frame extension was for easier installation on long framed bikes. Especially the later full bodied GLs. The 1100s still had easy access to frame mounting points so the extension isn't needed.

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Posted 5/17/2011 8:32 PM (#57907 - in reply to #57904)
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davids - 5/17/2011 5:48 PM Hi all, I've acquired an 82 GL1100 Friendship 3. Near as I can tell it does not have the longer sidecar frame add-on. (sidecar was purchased in92 and installed 3rd party) What if any are the ramifications of not having the longer frame? Thanks, Dave

Take a look at the difference in color on my frame. 

The unpainted part on top was added on to make the frame the same length as a Goldwing frame.  If yours is an original long frame, it would probably look like the painted part, only longer.  I just measured mine.  On the short frame, the distance between the lower tubes is 21 inches.  On the Goldwing frame it is 27 inches.

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Posted 5/17/2011 8:33 PM (#57908 - in reply to #57812)
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I've had the early FS I sidecars in the shop with their odd mounting system (see attached), but no early FS II that had this type of opening. Do you know what year the change was made?
Note the 5 lug wheel on this FS I oldie.

Lonnie

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Posted 5/18/2011 8:37 AM (#57926 - in reply to #55459)
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I'm getting pretty close to mounting a sidecar to my GL1100. I've been looking over the frame to figure out where to install the shackels with clevis eye joints.

From what I can see, I need 4 mount points on the bike's right side:
- lower frame forward of the motor mount, rear of the exaust flanges
- on the 45* strut next to the rear air shock valve, hopefully below the valve close to the main frame member
- upper frame rail under the seat next to a cross member
- high up on the forward up-tube along the radiator

Do these mount points sound right to y'all?
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Posted 5/18/2011 8:45 AM (#57927 - in reply to #57926)
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OldSchool_IsCool - 5/18/2011 7:37 AM I'm getting pretty close to mounting a sidecar to my GL1100. I've been looking over the frame to figure out where to install the shackels with clevis eye joints. From what I can see, I need 4 mount points on the bike's right side: - lower frame forward of the motor mount, rear of the exaust flanges - on the 45* strut next to the rear air shock valve, hopefully below the valve close to the main frame member - upper frame rail under the seat next to a cross member - high up on the forward up-tube along the radiator Do these mount points sound right to y'all?

Sounds good.  I always try to keep the lower two on a horizontal plane if possible.  That way, if you need to remove it, you just put out the sidestand, remove the top two bolts and lean the bike onto the stand.  If the bottom two are uneven, you take a chance of altering the alignment when you lean the bike.

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Posted 5/18/2011 9:36 AM (#57933 - in reply to #57927)
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That's what I was hoping to do Mike, but I'm not sure there is enough lower frame exposed to connect both lowers to it. The exhaust blocks much of the forward frame. Plus there is the need for the hack wheel to lead the bike's rear wheel just a bit, so I can't go too far forward or backward anyway. The arms on the lower hack mounts are not adjustable, but came off a GL1000 so should connect up OK. You can see them in my build thread if you're not sure what I mean.

I'll take pics when I get to mounting that will hopefully be useful to the original poster.
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Posted 5/18/2011 1:20 PM (#57938 - in reply to #55459)
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Which sidecar are you mounting?
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Posted 5/18/2011 2:54 PM (#57942 - in reply to #57938)
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An Auburn Gemini, similar to a TwinStar and/or Ride-by-side. I have a build thread going here in the tech section.
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Posted 5/18/2011 4:23 PM (#57948 - in reply to #55459)
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Here's one of the last Twinstars. I mounted it shortly before the fire in Texas burnt up the molds. The GL/Gemini will mount up about the same as this Heritage. I used Heim joint lowers and clevis eye strut mounts on this one.
Here are the positions I use on the 1100 GL's for eye bolt type mounting.

Lonnie

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Posted 5/18/2011 4:38 PM (#57949 - in reply to #57948)
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Hack'n - 5/18/2011 3:23 PM Here's one of the last Twinstars. I mounted it shortly before the fire in Texas burnt up the molds. The GL/Gemini will mount up about the same as this Heritage. I used Heim joint lowers and clevis eye strut mounts on this one. Here are the positions I use on the 1100 GL's for eye bolt type mounting. Lonnie

Those spots are nearly identical to my GL1200.  The front lower fairing wasn't even altered.  You simply remove one of the vents.  All I had to alter was to trim the back edge of the side cover.  After I sold the sidecar, the sidecover looked fine unless you removed it from the bike.  Otherwise you couldn't see it had been altered.

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Posted 5/19/2011 8:32 AM (#57969 - in reply to #55459)
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WOW!! Thanks Lonnie & Mike!

The photos and the info on dealing with body panels is EXTREAMLY valuable and AMAZINGLY TIMELY!! I have basically the same mounts, brand new heims on the bottoms and the original clevis joints. Not quite a polished and pretty as those in your photos, but functionally identical.

I'll have to get down on the ground to see if I can get a shackel on the lower frame forward of the exhaust headers. I seem to recall some interference there. If it's the engine guard, that can come off as I'll have a whole sidecar protecting that side of the engine soon!

P.S. Lonnie, do you happen to recall how much lead you gave to the sidecar's wheel ahead of the bike's rear wheel? I was going to start with 10 inches and see how that rides.

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Posted 5/19/2011 9:43 AM (#57970 - in reply to #55459)
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Around 20% of the bike wheelbase works.

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Posted 6/14/2011 11:52 AM (#58460 - in reply to #55459)
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We can supply some of the parts for these such as mounting hardware, brake rotors, suspention bushings and a few other items. For windshields we have found that www.bikescreen.com has them.
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Posted 8/23/2011 11:48 PM (#59905 - in reply to #55459)
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Hey guys, new to the forum.

I have what I believe to be a FS1 that I have been scouring the innertubes for information about.  There seems to be precious little available.  This thread is as close as I can find to a list of replacement parts and sources need to keep these tubs on the road.

Around the first of the year SidecarMike mentioned getting some pics posted up of the brakes and tilt mechanism.  Does anyone have such pics?

My FS1 doesn't have the brake option.  I'm researching what it would take to add brakes and possibly tilt, a couple good pics would help bunches.

 

I also have some info that I can add to the collective database.  I'm in the process of making a spreadsheet (I'm a bit anal like that) and I'd like to add the info in this thread if that's OK?

 




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Posted 8/24/2011 12:11 AM (#59906 - in reply to #55459)
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I could have sworn I posted a link to these, but I guess not.  Sorry.  http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/SidecarMike/Sidecar/Friendship%203/

Keep in mind these are all from a Friendship 3.  I'm told the Friendship 2 SE used the same frame, but you can't prove it by me.  Ignore the washers on the studs.  That was an attempt by the previous owner to allow the use of a wider tire.  I'm not currently using the brake, so can get you better photos of the caliper if you wish.  

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Posted 8/24/2011 12:35 PM (#59925 - in reply to #59905)
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If this is a pre 1989 model with torsional suspension, retrofitting a brake isn't too difficult but without the conventional suspension (coil over shock) swingarm setup of the later models adding tilt would mean major mods. $$$

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Posted 8/24/2011 11:26 PM (#59938 - in reply to #55459)
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Thanks for the pics.

Yours has a Brembo F04 caliper that has 60mm O.C. mounting holes, the same as the mounting holes in my FS I frame. That caliper has been discontinued by Brembo. I may have a line on a used one though.

Later units use a Brembo P32F caliper with 84mm mounting holes and is readily available.

I wish I knew what other applications use the rotor. CSC literature says it's a Brembo rotor but that's as much as I know. Jason from DMC (jaydmc) said he can get me a rotor and the later caliper and mount. I might just go that route rather than try to piece stuff together.

I can't see for sure but does the rotor bolt directly to the collar that's welded to the back of the hub?

Also does anyone know what the hole/tab in the frame just in front of the swing arm pivot is for?

My frame looks to be the same as Mike's FC III in the OP. This winter the tub is coming off to clean things up and add some ballast so I'll get a better look at it then.

@Lonnie - It's new enough that it has the coil over setup so I should be good to go.
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Posted 8/25/2011 12:11 AM (#59939 - in reply to #59938)
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tvking63 - 8/24/2011 10:26 PM Thanks for the pics. Yours has a Brembo F04 caliper that has 60mm O.C. mounting holes, the same as the mounting holes in my FS I frame. That caliper has been discontinued by Brembo. .

I have a perfectly good one, just don't have it mounted on the sidecar.  I'm told that the Grimeca B256 and B257, sold by Pingle, is a bolt on interchange with the F04 Brembo.

Pingle is a couple hours from here.  Maybe one day I'll ride down and physically compare them.

As far as your question about rotor mount, I ordered a new tire today.  When it comes in I'll take a look.

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Cool, that looks like it might work. According to Pingel the B256 and 257 have 41mm pistons. The Brembo F04 has a 32mm pistons so you'd have more leverage but also more pedal or lever travel using 41mm pistons. Or you could compensate by using a larger MC.

I think I'm gonna give them a call.

Also in post #55489 you mentioned the actuator amp draw being 3.8. Unless I'm reading the info wrong, the , 12v, 4'' stroke, 1000lbs cap, Electrak 10 says 14amps at full load.

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Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
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Posted 8/25/2011 6:40 PM (#59962 - in reply to #59947)
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tvking63 - 8/25/2011 11:18 AM Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
Dang, that's too bad.  I had two different guys, a Ducati nut and a KTM dealer, each tell me they were a direct replacement.  I'll keep digging. 
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tvking63 - 8/25/2011 11:18 AM Just talked to Pingel and they say the B256-257 have 74mm O.C. mounting bolts. So it looks like that's not an option.
We might not be shot down yet.

I just stumbled across this photo.  I wonder if they can identify this Grimeca?





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Does anyone have any pics of the later P32F Brembo caliper mounted on a California Sidecar? I'm welding on a new bracket to switch from the discontinued F04 to the P32F and cannot seem to find a location where it will clear the body.

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Posted 11/8/2011 7:51 PM (#61401 - in reply to #60531)
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tvking63 - 9/20/2011 2:20 PM Does anyone have any pics of the later F32 Brembo caliper mounted on a California Sidecar? I'm welding on a new bracket to switch from the discontinued F04 to the P32F and cannot seem to find a location where it will clear the body.

Did this work for you?  Did you take any photos? (hint, hint)

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I have the bracket modified to where I think it is going to work. But to weld it on, it would be easier/better if the control arm were off the frame. So I decide to wait until the weather killed the riding season to take it apart. That time is approaching pretty quickly.

I don't think I can mount it where the factory F04 caliper is, there just isn't enough room and the caliper hits the body. That's why I was asking for pics to see is the relief in the body is different than mine. With my body it will have to be closer to the 9 o'clock position.

CSC brakes 01

I will take pics when I start the process which should be before the holidays.

Mike, your setup is what I want pics of. (hint, hint)
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Posted 11/8/2011 10:14 PM (#61411 - in reply to #61408)
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Trouble is my brake caliper is laying in a ziplock bag on the shelf.  I didn't like the brake on my Motorvation, so never installed this one.  It had a separate pedal and no matter how lightly I applied it, it would lock up the tire .  Even on the little Guzzi, I never really felt the need for it.  The bike did a good job stopping the rig.

Now, with the Goldwing, I have more brakes than the Goose ever had. 

I was thinking maybe I'd try to mount it after the riding season, as well.  Sorry.

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Posted 11/9/2011 1:40 PM (#61412 - in reply to #55459)
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Mike - following with interest. I'll be taking the tub off my frame in spring, so I'll have a better look to see if I have caliper mounting tabs, etc. I measured my frame yesterday - it's definitely the short frame (23" center to center on the tubes), and will for sure require the custom DMC extension (already ordered). If you can rig up a brake, what's your plan - seperate brake pedal, or to tie into the existing rear brake circuit on your 1500? Given that the brake pedal already does 1 front rotor & the rear too, I'm wondering what's the smart way of doing this.
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Posted 11/9/2011 1:45 PM (#61413 - in reply to #61412)
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Daryl Martel - 11/9/2011 12:40 PM Mike - following with interest. I'll be taking the tub off my frame in spring, so I'll have a better look to see if I have caliper mounting tabs, etc. I measured my frame yesterday - it's definitely the short frame (23" center to center on the tubes), and will for sure require the custom DMC extension (already ordered). If you can rig up a brake, what's your plan - seperate brake pedal, or to tie into the existing rear brake circuit on your 1500? Given that the brake pedal already does 1 front rotor & the rear too, I'm wondering what's the smart way of doing this.

If I do it, I will tap in to the existing brakes.  Haven't thought about front or back.  What have others done?

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On the GL1500 if you tap into the front, you will not have a firm feel to the brake, The master is two small, in the past we would bore it out with a jig I made for our milling machine to 5/8 inch, rebuild it using a kit from a early GL1100. This requires relocation of the holes between the resivour and the piston which of course requires pluging the original hole. Now that Honda has the GL1800 out, its master will fit if you want the brake tied to the front. The only real difference is that the bango fitting is on the side rather then the end. The way we have been hooking up the brakes on the GL1500 for the last few years is with a double banjo bolt to the rear calipar. We go to the calipar rather then the master as the master is a real pain to hook onto due to its location.
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Posted 11/9/2011 2:03 PM (#61415 - in reply to #61413)
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Jay at DMC hooked my sidecar brake into the rear on my 1500 with a no-spill quick-connect (same treatment with the electrics) and it works beautifully; I hardly notice any pulling when braking ( with the foot pedal.) Recommend the same for your rig. Mike
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Since I'm a double amputee, I will have to tap into the brake lever. That will require a bigger master cylinder to move enough fluid to make it all work. But sourcing one from another bike shouldn't be a problem.
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If you are using just the hand control you are not using both front brakes on the GL1500 this should not be a problem as long as you can still lock up the brakes. On some Harley's for double amputee owners we have plubmed the front brake to only work one front brake and left the other inoporational. This has worked fine. On the GL1500 we have used the Pingle shifter. It works fine. I have also made some wiring changes that allow the cruise control switch to work as the up down shift when cruise main power is off and when cruise main power is on they cruise works fine you just can not shift. Once you pull the clutch in the crisue control is shut off any ways so this should not be an issue. To do the shifter this way requires making an internal wiring change to the switch and adding 4 relays.
We are building a BMW R1200GS with our M72D sidecar on it right now for a double amputee that we are running the Pingle shifter, droping one front brake so that that master can work the 3 remaining brakes and are adding an electric reverse. We have done a fair amount of this kind of work if any one has any specific questions email me dirrect jay@dmcsidecars.com
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Posted 11/10/2011 12:52 AM (#61421 - in reply to #61418)
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Thanks for your help Jay.

 

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Since I'm a amputee, pushing the pedal isn't an option so I will have to tie into the lever. I'll have to source a MC with a larger bore so that it moves enough fluid to make it all work.

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Mike:
Thanks for starting this post on California Sidecar Parts a while back... I just brought home, (on 11-14-2011), a California Sidecar Friendship III
and am now enjoying this task of finding parts and cross references and stuff. My brake rotor is warped so I hope I can find a comparable rotor.
I plan on stocking up on brake parts since I keep my bikes, (and attachments), a long time.

Have you found anything yet on a brake rotor cross reference and other parts?
Thanks!!!

My winter project will be to get the sidecar frame and attachment parts back to almost like new, (a bit of rust on chrome parts).
I will also scuff, seal, prime, paint and pinstripe my sidecar to match my Pearl HotRod Yellow 1985 GL1200 LTD that I painted myself back in 2006. (14,000 original miles).
Can't wait to see the whole rig!!!

Best Wishes to all!!! What a great site for our sidecar addiction!!!

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Posted 11/15/2011 8:46 AM (#61464 - in reply to #55459)
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Don aka dwitgoldwing -do you have mounts to fit your GL1200? I have a set for an 1100 that'll likely work fine on your 1200.
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Posted 11/15/2011 8:47 AM (#61465 - in reply to #61463)
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Wow, what a colour Don. Can't wait to see the completed, painted rig.
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Yeah, I have mounts of some kind... I was told that my sidecar came off a Goldwing so I hope I can make some of it work on my 1200.
I will take pics tonight when I get home after work. I got back to my house at 3AM Monday after a 1240 mile trip to get the sidecar in Missouri, so I didn't get pics that day...
I did get the body off the frame last night and will start getting the frame/mechanics in good shape this week.

Thanks for the comment on the paint job... I spent 7 months sanding, stripping original graphics, designing new graphics, painting, building a matching trailer, and $2000 in PPG paint.
But I think the finished bike was worth it. Just imagine the full rig painted in that Pearl HotRod Yellow... It will be EYE-CATCHING!!!
I used House of Kolor Ice Gold Pearl instead of PPG pearl. The slightly larger flakes really accent the yellow!!!

I really appreciate your encouragement on this project... I'm not worried about the paint and fixing the rig.
My only concern is if I can find a rotor....
I hope I don't have to convert to a different brake system... I may change the whole hub/Caliper/brake system if need be,
just to have a readily available brake part setup.

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Don't mean to sidetrack this post... I do want to find parts for my rig....
but, here's a pic of my bike with the trailer/graphics I did.
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GL 1000 and GL1100 mounts are usualy the same however some times the front lower has to be made a bit different if the bike has had floor boards added. GL1200 can use the same lower front and upper front but take a different upper rear and lower rear, California sidecar simply clamped to the crash bar for the upper rear, I feel this is not a good idea at all. The GL1500 takes a different mount and some companies have two different lower rear mounts for the GL1500 depending on if it has adjustable passenger floor boards. GL1800's take a different mount as well, this mount needs to be designed in such a way to not stress the alluminium frame which already has issues.
We have mounts for all GL Bikes except for the Valkyrie rune (we do have them for the GL1500 valkyrie)
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Posted 11/15/2011 10:47 AM (#61472 - in reply to #61467)
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Welcome Don and thank you.  I started it because the company is less than helpful, even with simple things. 

It's been a long time, but Winchester used to be in my riding zone.  I lived in Lexington for about ten years.  I spent a lot of time around Mount Sterling and Winchester.

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Posted 11/15/2011 11:14 AM (#61475 - in reply to #61472)
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I'll bet you miss this area, especially for riding... We have many great curvy roads to ride on.
The ride up to Natural Bridge, Slade, McKee and many others are nice rides.
I love Winchester, 'cuz of its proximity to Lexington, but I don't have to live in the big city.

I cut a decal on my vinyl cutter that says, "WINGchester, KY on it and put in on the back of my Goldwing trunk.

To stay a little on topic, I called CSC Parts and they do have tires and brake pads in stock, (not cheap, though).

They keep referring me to Jay at DMC so I am going to do business with him as much as possible.

Don W.
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dwitgoldwing - 11/15/2011 8:31 AM
My brake rotor is warped so I hope I can find a comparable rotor.


Jay didn't mention it but DMC can supply a brake rotor to fit the SCS Friendship series. I got mine from them. I'm not impressed with the finish of the rotor surface but it's a serviceable piece.
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Daryl Martel
Posted 11/15/2011 1:55 PM (#61478 - in reply to #55459)
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DMC is making the mounts for me for my 1500. Side Effects (Kamloops, BC) made my GL1100 mounts for me - they're very nicely done. I should post some pics of 'em. Not sure what I'm going to do with my GL1100 yet - our motorcycle insurance costs here are very high (maybe the highest in north america?) so I really can't afford to insure 2 bikes. I'm a little tempted to buy a 2nd sidecar (if I find the right deal), or maybe even trike it out. On the other hand, if someone needs a set of mounts for an 1000/1100/1200, for a very reasonable price I may sell 'em.
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Daryl Martel
Posted 12/20/2011 11:49 PM (#62038 - in reply to #61478)
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Well, I've made some progress re installing my Friendship II on my GL1500. Last weekend I trial fitted the frame, and confirmed that there was no way the short chassis was going to work as is - the distance between the front & back mounts is just too big. I pulled the tub off the frame and brought the frame into the house to prep it for welding the frame extension on. This was the first chance I really had to have a close look at the frame. No idea when my sidecar was manufactured, as the date is not stamped on the identiplate, but mine is S/N 102206. I've heard lots on the forums about how there was considerable variation in configuration during production, what with suspension design changes, etc., so I thought I'd post a few pics of my frame (excuse the dirt - haven't cleaned 'er yet, it's winter here). Note the swingarm has caliper mounts, but there's no rotor on the hub. I e-mailed CSC asking if they still had stock - am awaiting their reply, but from what I've heard here, they have exhausted their stock of spare parts - correct? Anyone know where I can get a hub/rotor assy and brake caliper? Pics are with frame extension parts freshly welded on. I found an aircraft repair certified TIG welder today who did a fantastic job. Talk about nice looking welds!



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Posted 12/21/2011 12:52 AM (#62039 - in reply to #62038)
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Daryl Martel - 12/20/2011 10:49 PM Well, I've made some progress ... No idea when my sidecar was manufactured, as the date is not stamped on the identiplate, but mine is S/N 102206.

The previous owner bought mine new in 1996.  It is number 103016, not that that means anything.

Now that you have an extra hole in your frame, do like me.  Stick a pipe in there and build yourself a footrest.  Cool

 

 

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Posted 12/21/2011 1:14 AM (#62040 - in reply to #55459)
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Great idea Mike! I removed my RH engine guard entirely, so am lacking a highway peg on that side. You notice a difference on my frame? I noticed on your frame tabs are welded on and that the tub secures through holes in them... I'm assuming rubber spacers of some type fit between the tabs and sidecar body? On my frame, holes are drilled thru the tubes for the 4 bolts that secure the tub to the frame. I think my Friendship II frame is narrower overall too (makes sense - Friendship III is a 1 1/2 or double wide).
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Posted 12/21/2011 1:43 PM (#62048 - in reply to #62040)
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Daryl Martel - 12/21/2011 12:14 AM Great idea Mike! I removed my RH engine guard entirely, so am lacking a highway peg on that side. You notice a difference on my frame? I noticed on your frame tabs are welded on and that the tub secures through holes in them... I'm assuming rubber spacers of some type fit between the tabs and sidecar body? On my frame, holes are drilled thru the tubes for the 4 bolts that secure the tub to the frame. I think my Friendship II frame is narrower overall too (makes sense - Friendship III is a 1 1/2 or double wide).

Perhaps, but CSC told me the FII and FIII share the same frame.  A little hard to measure with the body on, but mine appears to be about 29 inches wide.  Measured from outside to outside.

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Posted 12/21/2011 6:53 PM (#62050 - in reply to #55459)
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Hi Mike - measured my frame... 21.5" across (excluding of course where sidecar mounts attach), to the outside of the tubes.
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Posted 12/22/2011 8:57 AM (#62060 - in reply to #55459)
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I'd sent CSC an e-mail enquiring into the possibility of buying a wheel hub with brake rotor, and matching brake caliper. I knew it was a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try anyhow. Here's the response I received: "Unfortunately, we have nothing at all for sidecars anymore. What we had was destroyed in a fire about two years ago."

We all know they didn't make these parts themselves, so where did they source them from?
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Posted 12/22/2011 9:22 AM (#62061 - in reply to #62060)
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I don't know where they sourced them from originally, but Jay at DMC sells rotors and pads, now. In fact that is who CSC refers me to when I call them. Jay sells the rotors for $90, (I think that was the price he gave me). My understanding is that the hub is a trailer hub and it just looks like they welded on an adapter for attachment of the rotor. I'm going to do a little research and see if a hub at Tractor Supply or a trailer sales place will be a good match for new hubs. I'm sorry that CSC had a fire, but product liability should be better than just no help at all... They still sell tires and pads but that's it.

Say, can you post a few really good pics of how your electric lean is attached? My Friendship III doesn't have the
Electric lean on it. I am going to make my own and order the actuator off eBay. It would be great if you could make a little drawing with dimensions, too. I want to get my FS III attached in the next few weeks, (if I ever get off 12 hour work days at Amazon...)
Thanks, Don W.
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Posted 12/22/2011 9:51 AM (#62062 - in reply to #55459)
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dwitgoldwing - sure, I can take a couple of closeup pics of the electric lean setup for you. The fellow I bought my Friendship II from had it installed on a HD UltraGlide. It was a crappy install... poorly made (heavy!) frame brackets, and the electric height adjust wasn't hooked up (I don't think he knew it had it) and it was at lowest adjustment. I functioned it to make sure it worked (it does) and set it for 25% extension for when I attach sidecar. The actuator has a 10 cm stroke BTW.

Regarding sourcing the brake hub/rotor & caliper from Jay at DMC, I did contact him already, and this is the reply I received: "We make a hub that will fit the axle and runs the same brake rotor as California sidecars did however I doubt that the off set for the brake rotor is the same and nor is the off set for the wheel, We have a couple of different bolt patterns for the wheel."

From this you can see he could set me up with something that could be made to work... was kind of hoping for direct bolt-on fit, no messing around.
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Posted 12/22/2011 11:13 AM (#62064 - in reply to #62061)
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dwitgoldwing - 12/22/2011 8:22 AM...Say, can you post a few really good pics of how your electric lean is attached? My Friendship III doesn't have theElectric lean on it. I am going to make my own and order the actuator off eBay. It would be great if you could make a little drawing with dimensions, too. I want to get my FS III attached in the next few weeks, (if I ever get off 12 hour work days at Amazon...)Thanks, Don W.
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Posted 12/22/2011 11:20 AM (#62066 - in reply to #55459)
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Near the beginning of this thread is a wiring diagram for the elctric lift switch.  I just used a double throw momentary switch.  To make it easier, I mounted mine sideways so that if the bike pulls left I move the lever to the right and if it pulls right, I move to the left.
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Posted 12/22/2011 11:51 AM (#62067 - in reply to #55459)
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dwitgoldwing - Mike beat me to it with the pics. Does that do it for you, or do you need more specific close-ups? I had a good look at how it operates... the pivot mechanism is not an easy do-it-yourself project!

For what it's worth, I replied to CSC asking them if they'd be willing to share their parts sources given they no longer support their sidecars. This is exactly what I sent: "I totally understand. Trouble is, now there's a lot of your customers that no longer have "factory support" for their sidecars. Would it at least be possible for your company to share where these parts were sourced from? ...I'm talking specifically the brake hub/rotor & caliper assembly." We'll see if anything comes of it.
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Posted 12/22/2011 12:02 PM (#62068 - in reply to #55459)
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@Daryl Martel Unless there is a problem with your existing hub, it doesn't look like need a new one. From what I can see in your pictures, your hub has the welded on collar that has threaded holes. The rotor that DMC can supply bolts to that collar. The caliper is going to be more of a pain. If you read this thread I detail my quest for adding brakes to my CSC.

Here's a quick recap..... It looks like you have mounts for the F04 caliper which is no longer made by Brembo and after extensive searching, I was unable to find anyone making a replacement. You'll probably need to cut off the existing mounts and order a P32F Brembo caliper ,which is used on later CSC's, and universal bracket from DMC and have your TIG welder weld the new bracket on the swing arm in a place that the new caliper will clear the body. I haven't welded mine on yet but it looks like it might be at the 9 o'clock position. If that's the case, I probably wouldn't have needed to remove the original mounts, but it looks clear w/o them.


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Posted 12/22/2011 12:07 PM (#62069 - in reply to #55459)
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The hub was a standard trailer hub that they welded a ring to the back side of. If a person wanted to go this route the only hissue is finding hubs that are cast steel rather then cast iron. You would still need to make sure that the spacing is correct. The rotor is an obscure at least in the USA Citoren car that was never imported into the USA. We have the rotors as these are the rotors we use. Rather then welding a ring onto a stock hub and then having to machine it to work, we make our own hubs from scratch however I am sure our off sets are different. The early CSC brake calipars were Brembo FO4 calipars, we have not been able to get these in years. The later Brembo calipars we stock. We also stock pads for both early and late. To identify which you have the FO4 brake pads were held in with 2 pins, the current uses a single pin. The manifacture of the acturators has changed hands a couple of times but can still be ordered in. We no longer use these as our design uses a more expensive more reliable acutuator however our supplier can order them in. The steel parts in the electric trim system CSC built in house.
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Posted 12/22/2011 12:30 PM (#62070 - in reply to #55459)
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Yeah, Jay is definitely the man to know for all things sidecar...(I'm not affiliated with DMC), because he actually takes time to answer questions and get you squared away.

Back to the electric lean...Daryl or Mike, could you give me the length and width and thickness of the steel links attaching the acutator to the top of the frame post? Also, bolt center to bolt center distance would be great. That part looks pretty easy to build...just looks like welded steel and a round threaded rod to attach a Heim joint to. I am a pretty competent DIYer with a lathe/mill/welder and can make that pretty easily. I figure while it's winter and I have my car off the frame for fixing/repainting, I might as well work on the frame and brake system.

I am doing a separate master cylinder with brake pedal for the car. That way there is no splicing into the bike and I won't have to bleed either brake system except once a year during annual maintenance. Looking forward to learning how to make quick right hand turns with the sidecar brake. Should be fun learning how to feather the brakes...
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Posted 12/22/2011 12:39 PM (#62071 - in reply to #62070)
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dwitgoldwing - 12/22/2011 11:30 AM Yeah, Jay is definitely the man to know for all things sidecar...(I'm not affiliated with DMC), because he actually takes time to answer questions and get you squared away. Back to the electric lean...Daryl or Mike, could you give me the length and width and thickness of the steel links attaching the acutator to the top of the frame post? Also, bolt center to bolt center distance would be great. ...

I'll defer to Daryl on this, as mine is on the road.  His is disassembled and will be much easier to measure.

I concur with your comments on Jay and Barry as well.  They have given me a lot of help and great advice in the past.  And let's not forget Lonnie (Hack'n) as well. 

They all add a lot to our experience here.

 

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Posted 12/22/2011 12:44 PM (#62072 - in reply to #55459)
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@dwitgoldwing Make sure that there is enough clearance for the tilt/pivot mechanism. My FS l has the hole in the frame for the actuator mount, but I'm pretty sure there is not enough room between the tub and frame to mount the pivot.
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Posted 12/22/2011 3:39 PM (#62076 - in reply to #55459)
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tvking63 & dwitgoldwing - the beauty about the tubs is they are fibreglas, so easily repairable... or relatively easy to modify, if you're handy with working with fibreglas & polyester resin. Shouldn't be too much work to cut away/relieve where the tub contacts (gets in the way) and then lay up a fibreglas bubble to enclose it again.

dwitgoldwing - I just took a bunch of close-up pics of the actuator pivot mechanism for you. The distance bolt centre to centre is 5 1/4". I put a machinists ruler beside so you can scale appropriately. Shoot me an e-mail & I'll send you full resolution pics. The site auto scales the resolution down - my actual pics are much clearer.

I'm attaching a good crisp pic of the back of the wheel hub assembly. I don't see where a rotor would attach - am I missing something? Also, note in the 1 pic I found some hard rubber donuts to use as spacers between the tub & frame - they are 1 3/4" dia rubber cups you use as floor protectors for under furniture legs. They look like they'll be perfect for the purpose. E-mail DarylunderscoreMartel@shaw.ca



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Posted 12/22/2011 3:55 PM (#62077 - in reply to #55459)
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Just got a reply from Scott Turner at CSC. His answer: "The hub came from FIT BEARING out of California. The brake caliper and the brake rotor came from MOTOR QUALITY out of Italy.(Brembo) Sorry I do not have an address or a phone number to give you."

I'll look back thru the thread and see if we have a good pic of the stock hub/rotor. If not, Mike, did you take a pretty clear pic?
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Posted 12/22/2011 4:02 PM (#62078 - in reply to #55459)
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The hub came in with out the ring welded to the rear. Brembo will not sell dirrect and they sold the rights to the FO4 calipar several years ago. The company they sold the rights to made the FO4 calipars for a few years and stopped making them.
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Posted 12/22/2011 4:20 PM (#62079 - in reply to #55459)
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Thnx Jay. Bit of a dead end then, eh. I'm not too keen on messing with welding new caliper mounts on... just yet. That may change after I have a few miles on it.
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Posted 12/22/2011 4:26 PM (#62080 - in reply to #55459)
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What we can supply, Hub with a brake rotor, the new type of brembo calipar, a CNC cut bracket to weld onto the swing arm, the brake hose with a double banjo bolt. The hub will have either a 4 bolt on 4 inch pattern or a 5 on 4.75 pattern, your choice. $500
What you would do is assemble every thing, apply brake pressure to hold the calipar in place while welding the bracket on.
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Posted 12/22/2011 4:45 PM (#62081 - in reply to #55459)
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I'm attaching a good crisp pic of the back of the wheel hub assembly. I don't see where a rotor would attach - am I missing something?


No, you're not. Now that I have a better pic of your hub, I can see that you don't have the mounting collar on yours. The only way I know for you to add brakes now, is to buy and new hub ,rotor, caliper and bracket from Jay and weld up a new mount. I guess you could fab the collar and weld it to your hub, but it would have to be machined perfectly true to keep rotor runout to a minimum.

Here's a pic of my hub with the rotor mounting collar and the rotor from DMC.

 

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Posted 12/23/2011 1:11 PM (#62094 - in reply to #55459)
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Thnx everyone for all the info, and pics. Jay, I will wait to see how it goes before comitting to buying. Having never driven a sidecar (yet), I am concerned about the added weight/mass and emergency braking situations. Am sure looking forward to getting it on the road.
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Well, let me chime in and say I've been concerned about what the dynamics are going to be of adding my Friendship III sidecar to my GL1200. It is definitely going to take some getting used to judging from the tons of articles I've read on the subject in the last 2 months.

From what I've read, I am definitely going to wait to install my car until AFTER I get my sidecar brake system worked out and installed on the frame and working properly. I will not even ATTEMPT to drive my rig without a properly functioning sidecar braking system. It just makes sense to me that if you have a couple hundred pounds plus rider/luggage sitting to the right of the bike, you better have some way to stop all that rolling mass. I've gotta believe you will DEFINITELY feel the sidecar pushing when trying to stop. I am fortunate that my sidecar already has the brake/rotor system installed and all I have to do is mount my master cylinder and extra pedal to my sidecar frame.
I chose to have the extra pedal instead of plumbing into my bike brake system. I just see having the sidecar on it's own system making a lot less headaches when riding without the sidecar. I will just have to disconnect my mounts and then off I go; no worrying about bleeding the bike brake system every 3 or 4 rides.

I fully understand the economic concerns of adding the proper brake cylinder/rotor/hub setup, especially since I've been unemployed twice in this last year. Still, through odd jobs and stuff I've been able to get my whole brake system together and am working on mounting right now. I just gotta believe it will be WAY less scary having brakes on my sidecar, than having none at all. I don't even want to try and learn to ride a sidecar setup without brakes.
Best wishes to you... Please let us know how this all works out.

Thanks VERY much for all the pics of the Electric Lean setup. I am working on adding that to my FS III so I will have the best of everything, that way when I go riding with my CSC Friendship III sidecar and my fiance, WE MAY JUST NOT WANT TO COME BACK!!!
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Posted 12/31/2011 10:21 PM (#62217 - in reply to #55459)
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Just in case anyone is wondering what to do with all those wires, I just found the color codes for mine.  I can't swear it will be right for all of them, but it is labeled Friendship 2 and 3.

First color is primary, second is a trace or stripe

The white and yellow wires are spares and go to nothing.

Brown/White is the ground wire

Blue/White is the front white light, tail, and marker lights

Purple is the turn signal

Blue/Black is the brake light

Green/White goes to the back up light

Pink is a hot wire to power the radio's clock and memory (sometimes cigar lighter)

Red is a fused accesory line to radio and sometimes cigar lighter.

If your lighter works with the key off, it feeds from the pink.  Otherwise it's the red.

Yellow/Black is the UP position on the electric lean

Blue is the DOWN position on the electric lean

Purple is the electric fuel pump.

 

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Posted 12/31/2011 10:26 PM (#62218 - in reply to #55459)
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Jeez Mike - you are one timely guy! Was just looking at my harness this afternoon wondering how I'd figure out what does what. There sure are many more wires than needed, and weird connectors too (think I'm going to cut 'em off). It'll take me some time to get done connecting mine, but when I do, I'll be able to report back whether that colour coding is consistent on mine too.
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Hey Daryl,

I don't know if this will help on your 1500, but here is how I wired my hack to my 1100.

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A little explanation;

I used a "flat 4" to wire the lights attached to the frame and a "square 6" to wire the tub. The idea being that I could run the frame without the tub and a car top carrier or other cargo in it's place.
The tub has a dual-intensity red brake/tail light and an amber single-intensity light in the nose for marker/turn.
The tub also has two power circuits for accessories that the Mrs might want (cell phone, fan, hair dryer, heater, waffle iron, etc) :-D
The SPST relay up top is there as a "power relay" tied into the ACC circuit of the bike. It basically allows me to power the tub via it's own fuse block instead of tapping off the bike's block.
the SPDT is there since I'm using a dual-intensity LED fixture for three functions - tail, brake and right turn. When R.MARKER is ON, the relay passes BRAKE, otherwise it passes R.TURN (marker off, turn on).
The two diodes prevent feedback between the R.MARKER and R.TURN supply signals.
I use a couple of LED "Driving Lights" to serve as a headlight on the frame.

Let me know if you need more details!

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Hi OldSchool aka Bruce - yeah, could use this info for sure too. I already have a hitch installed on my bike and use an isolator and 5 into 4 pin converter. I bought another one (it appears to be a combined unit) which I'm thinking of wiring in. Definitely will use at least one flat 4 pin plug for the connection, for the lights for sure. All the sidecar lights will be LED, so not too worried really about current draw. For the sidecar height adjust actuator however, I'm thinking there should be relays in the circuit to reduce arcing on the switch... and maybe another "switched" relay for the cigarette lighter. My big fear is having something on the hack drain the bike battery when parked. I like the idea of keeping a spare fully charged battery in the hack as back-up should this ever occur.
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Posted 1/3/2012 8:16 PM (#62254 - in reply to #55459)
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A couple capacitors (aka condensers) could be used to prevent arcing too. That's how it is done on older ignition systems to prevent arcing points. Since I own a couplea Honda CB's, I'm familiar with the technique! :-D
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Thought I'd start tackling wiring up the sidecar today... try at least to figure out what's what. I start peeling back the electrical tape further back on the harness, and discover what I thought was a bunch of wires actually feeds back to only 4 wires. Looked to me that it was wired up with 2 seperate connectors so 1 would feed a trailer. Cutting the heat shrink off completely all the way back to the sidecar body revealed a positive battery lead that'd been cut short, speaker wires, and another 2 wires. Of course none of the colour coding matches the CSC colour coding SidecarMike provided... so I'm on my own. I suspect the 2 "stand-alone" wires will be for the actuator... will find out shortly - I have a spare mc battery and am going to go play a little to try and figure it out.



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Posted 1/8/2012 8:52 AM (#62353 - in reply to #62339)
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Daryl,
My CSC had 2 connectors as well, I do not think there was any real standard to color coding or wiring of the CSC hacks. I found almost all the wiring in the hack was #14 yellow stranded wire. I had to trace/meter out all the wires and label them. I installed a flat 5 conductor trailer connector and got rid of the 2 connectors.

On the above post showing the relay, I disagree with the comment that the relay is used to prevent arcing. The function of the relay is to keep high current draw away from the light weight switch contacts. The switch actuates the relay ( low current) and the relay contacts handle the high current draw.

I too have been thinking of putting a battery in the hack. I would suggest using a diode to isolate the battery so that if one battery is low, it won't draw down the other battery. This will NOT allow you to use the hack battery for starting the bike unless you put in a switch. Also, the diode drops the charging voltage to the hack battery about .7 volts which should not be a problem.
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Posted 1/8/2012 10:50 AM (#62355 - in reply to #55459)
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Reporting back - was easy to figure out... whoever did the job defaulted back to standard trailer wiring colour coding; i.e. white being ground, red brake light, brown running/tail lights and green turn signal. There were two other wires, a blue and a yellow, which were for the linear actuator... blue to positive up, yellow to positive lowering the tub.
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Posted 1/8/2012 11:52 AM (#62356 - in reply to #62353)
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Boatzo - 1/8/2012 7:52 AM Daryl, My CSC had 2 connectors as well, I do not think there was any real standard to color coding or wiring of the CSC hacks. I found almost all the wiring in the hack was #14 yellow stranded wire. ...

 

Perhaps that's true, but the colors I quoted were from the wiring diagram that came with the sidecar when it was new.  I wouldn't expect them to create a new one for each car sold, so assumed it was standard.  My two Motorvation Formula 2's were each wired entirely with yellow wires.





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Posted 1/8/2012 4:37 PM (#62368 - in reply to #55459)
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Hey VLAD.... That rig in your picture is sure the strangest looking California 11 that I have seen....done some bodywork ??

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Thnx for posting that wiring diagram Mike. Nice resource this thread has turned into.
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Posted 1/8/2012 6:46 PM (#62372 - in reply to #62369)
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Thanks Daryl.  I had hoped that by now the Terraplane owners, Equalean guys, and those owning other orphan sidecars would have started their own threads to share information.

I need to also commend people like Mary and Gary at Motorvation for continuing to support their sidecars, old and new.   You can be the 6th owner of a 1970 model Milray and they'll treat you just as if it was a brand Formula.

Then, of course, Barry & Jay at Dauntless, Claude from Freedom,  and Lonnie(Hack'n) from Northwest, all  for being so free with their help and advice.

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Posted 1/8/2012 7:56 PM (#62374 - in reply to #55459)
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To dwitgoldwing and Daryl,
I have a GL1800 Goldwing (non ABS) with a Champion Escort attached, I think it would be about the same weight as your CSC. Mine has the brake on the sidecar wheel like what Jay at DMC describes. Last summer I decided to do a test to see just how much stopping ability the sidecar brake added to the rig. During the test I did not have a passenger, only 80 pounds of ballast strapped in the sidecar seat. At the time I made a post of my findings, which I copied below. The results might be different with another rig, but with mine it appears the sidecar brake make straight line braking much easier, but only shorten the stopping distance about ten feet. Of course that ten feet could be important some day. I have the brake attached all the time.

So I wondered just how much braking the sidecar brake actually adds to the rig. Today I found a secluded road to check it out. The weather was dry. With the sidecar loaded I did four panic stops from 55 MPH, the first two with the sidecar brake working, the last two with the brake line disconnected (there is a quick dis-connect between the bike & sidecar). Results; the first two with the sidecar brake were within five feet of each other. The longest distance of the last two with just the bike's brakes was ten feet shorter than the shortest distance with the sidecar brake working! Between each run I allowed the brakes to cool down.
Of course using only the bike's brakes there was a pull to the left, as expected. With the sidecar brake attached it appears my stopping distance was reduced about ten feet at 55 MPH. Note: this bike does not have ABS.
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Posted 1/8/2012 7:59 PM (#62375 - in reply to #55459)
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Let me throw in a big Thanks to Peter & Brock over at Side Effects too. They were both very helpful and free with their time to help get me on track. MUCH appreciated everyone that shares their time & knowledge to benefit the SC community.
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Posted 1/8/2012 8:01 PM (#62376 - in reply to #55459)
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I just re-read the second paragraph of my post, where I described the testing procedure and see a error. The braking distance was ten feet shorter with the sidecar brake working than when it was disconnected. I need to proof read things a little better.
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Posted 1/8/2012 8:05 PM (#62377 - in reply to #55459)
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WingInCamera - Jeez! Who'd a thunk it! ...you're making me feel a bit better about not having a brake on the car (yet). Thnx for sharing that. Daryl
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Posted 1/24/2012 10:09 AM (#62619 - in reply to #55459)
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I see you guys have the friendships. Is the brake setup the same for the companion GT? I need to add brakes too.

 

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Posted 1/24/2012 2:36 PM (#62625 - in reply to #62368)
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jrapose - 1/8/2012 4:37 PM

Hey VLAD.... That rig in your picture is sure the strangest looking California 11 that I have seen....done some bodywork ??

Joel

Bone stock Frendship III not II. No mods.
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Posted 1/25/2012 10:10 PM (#62652 - in reply to #55459)
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@razorface I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the CSC rigs are built on the same or similar frames. Does your wheel mount with wheel studs and lug nuts like a car, or is it a spindle mount, with one nut in the center holding it on? Some pics with the wheel off might help determine if it's the same setup as a Friendship.
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Posted 1/25/2012 11:05 PM (#62653 - in reply to #62652)
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tvking63 - 1/25/2012 9:10 PM @razorface I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the CSC rigs are built on the same or similar frames. Does your wheel mount with wheel studs and lug nuts like a car, or is it a spindle mount, with one nut in the center holding it on? Some pics with the wheel off might help determine if it's the same setup as a Friendship.
The very first post in this thread shows a picture of a Friendship 3 frame.  On around pages 3 through 5 are photos of the brake setup used on it and on some Friendship 2s from what I've been told. 

I don't have photos of the F1 my daughter redid, but if I remember correctly it was altogether different. 

Actually, I just found photos on my good friend Gust Jensen's website of one he used to own.  http://grubygust.com/bikes_/Dauntless/Friendship%20upgrade_.htm

Jay can pipe in with the upgrades pictured.

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Posted 1/26/2012 9:19 AM (#62657 - in reply to #62653)
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Looking at all the posts on California Side Cars, I am wondering what model I REALLY have. When I bought it on ebay, it was described as a Friendship II. I must admit at the time I knew nothing about side cars. Now I see all these variations and am confused. The only indication on the hack is a stamp on the windshield that says "California Side Car". My hack does NOT have a brake nor does it have a lean function. As mentioned in an earlier post on wiring color codes, there is no color code at all, all the wires are yellow and I can tell that somebody has been messing with the wiring as some of it is a mess. Any body have any ideas what I have?





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Posted 1/26/2012 9:34 AM (#62658 - in reply to #62657)
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Boatzo - 1/26/2012 8:19 AM Looking at all the posts on California Side Cars, I am wondering what model I REALLY have. When I bought it on ebay, it was described as a Friendship II. I must admit at the time I knew nothing about side cars. Now I see all these variations and am confused. The only indication on the hack is a stamp on the windshield that says "California Side Car". My hack does NOT have a brake nor does it have a lean function. As mentioned in an earlier post on wiring color codes, there is no color code at all, all the wires are yellow and I can tell that somebody has been messing with the wiring as some of it is a mess. Any body have any ideas what I have?

It appears to be a Friendship 2.  The brake and lean function were both accessory add-ons when it was purchased.  Both can be added later, but it can be difficult to find the necessary parts as the company stopped sidecars altogether.

The original Friendship did not have the front opening like yours does and it only had 2 taillights.  BTW, guard them with your life.  Although they look like a common trailer lens, no one has been able to come up with an exact replacement for them.

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Posted 1/26/2012 1:08 PM (#62665 - in reply to #55459)
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Your sidecar is an early freindship 2, latter ones California sidecars apears to have used a Champion Escort as a starting point to make changes which is why latter Freindship 2 sidecars open different. Your sidecar may also be early enough that it has a torrsion bar suspension rather then a shock / spring if this is the case then you can not up date to electric trim with out lots of changes to the sidecar and frame. Brakes can be added.
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Posted 1/26/2012 3:49 PM (#62670 - in reply to #55459)
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Thanks Mike, Lonnie & Jay. It does not have a shock at least as I know a shock. Doesn't look like a torshion bar either. It has an arm on a coiled flat spring? I am not sure if I described it right. In any case it rides OK, but I think a better shock would help. Doesn't seem to need brakes, stops pretty good when I use both front and back brakes.

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Posted 3/7/2012 3:41 AM (#63628 - in reply to #62670)
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Would anyone be able to provide instructions and photos of how the brake line from a Friendship III attaches to a Goldwing 1500SE?

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Posted 3/7/2012 10:37 AM (#63631 - in reply to #55459)
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The way California use to tie in the brake was to the front master with a double banjo bolt however this does not work all that well as the capacity of the master is not quite up to it, We use to rebuild these by first boring them out on our milling machine to 5/8 inch and rebuilding them with a kit from a pre linked brake GL1100. If you really want to tie to the front brake now I would go with a brake master from a GL1800 as it is already 5/8 inch and other then being the wrong color and the banjo coming off at a different angle works fine. The way we now tie onto the GL1500 is to the rear brake but as it is difficult to get to the master we use a double banjo bolt on the rear brake calipar.
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Posted 3/16/2012 1:15 PM (#63836 - in reply to #55459)
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Yesterday I decided to put a new bulb in the front marker light on my CSC Friendship 3 car since its not working. I removed the assembly and found there is no marker light -- there appears to be a space for a bulb but no hole to put in one. I also found some cracks on the backside of the assembly so I repaired with JB Weld.

Last night I had thoughts of replacing or at least find a soruce for a new assembly, so I camehere to find the car model ( 86 to 91 Volvo 480 ES) for the front lens then went to look for it and guess what? --- There ain't no listings for that car for anything - checked with my local parts house and they too do not have a listing. I found pictures of the car buts thats all. Was this a europe only car? Will we have to contact Sweet-Land for the piece?

Can anyone shed any "light" on this?

I think side marker lights are a required item so I decided to put a bulb in the provided space. Bought a trailer marker light and removed the bulb and socket. Drilled a hole into the space on the assembly -- a little smaller than needed then enlarged it with a small knive untill the socket snapped in. sealed it and replaced the lens on the car. The back of the socket fits up against the fiberglass and that too holds it in.
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Posted 3/16/2012 1:32 PM (#63837 - in reply to #63836)
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The Volvo 480ES was not sold in the USA, we use to use these same lights in a sidecar we use to make, we would order them in bulk 6 months before needing them from a Hella dealer that went out of buisness. We have not tried to get any from our current Hella dealer http://www.rallylights.com/ they may be able to help. You could also go to Ebay. However you will need to go to Ebay for a county other then the USA, I often will try Ebay from England as it is in english and they usualy do not mind shipping to the USA. BTW. we have bike specific mounts and steering modifications for both your Sporty and your Guzzi as well as sidecars.
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Posted 3/16/2012 3:43 PM (#63838 - in reply to #63837)
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Thanks Jay

Always a wealth of information
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Posted 5/15/2012 8:52 AM (#64823 - in reply to #55459)
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Hi jaydmc,

It was written:"The rotor is an obscure at least in the USA Citoren car that was never imported into the USA."
Could you define the exact type of Citroen? I'm writing from EU and I need a rotor to my CSC Friendship I.
Thanks a lot!
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The rotor is off of a Citoren GSA mid 1980's rear aplication. Brembo and EBC have no more. Apec still should have about 15 that we have not purchased. We have enough in stock to keep us going and supply the USA market for the next 2 months. We are having EBC make us another 100 which will keep us going for a few more months at which time we will have more that we are having cast for us however these will be only 5mm thick. They will still work on the California sidecars and the Champion sidecars but will allow for more pad options as right now you need pads with a thin backing plate. These same pads are also made with a thicker backing plate that will only work with the 5mm thick rotors.
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Posted 5/22/2012 7:49 AM (#64904 - in reply to #55459)
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Hi Jay G!

Thank you for your answer!
Citroen GS brake disc is avaliable in Europe.
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Posted 5/26/2012 12:55 AM (#64956 - in reply to #55459)
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I lost the keys to the trunk lock on my Friendship 3 car. At the East Texas Sidecar Muster I saw the Hannigan trunk locks looked like mine --- I never asked to look at one since I thought I would find my keys. I did not find the keys, so I took the lock to local locksmiths to make a key -- didn't work.

Talked to Hannigan parts man and he sent what I described --- The body of the lock was a perfect fit but the latch was wrong -- the latch hook was too short and lays horizontally while my hook was longer and lays vertially. I drilled out the pin holding the hook on the new lock -- mine already a small screw instead of a pin and just put my old hook in place of the new one and it hung vertially. Installed lock on my trunk lid and all works fine --- haven't lost the keys yet and expect to find the old ones soon.

The Hannigan part number is AE9-00266CH Cost was $34.95 plus shipping $20.90

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A couple of tire related questions:

# 1 - what are you guys using for tires for your 13" rims? The tire size seems a bit odd sized/uncommon - 145SR13 Radial Tire.
# 2 - the tire sidewall appears very close clearance wise to the fender lip. Would running a typical, say 60 to 70 series car tire result in tire rubbing on the lip?
# 3 - anyone run a 14" rim and low profile rubber?
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Posted 6/16/2012 3:00 PM (#65265 - in reply to #55459)
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There's almost no options in 13" tires that are narrow enough to fit the stock rim. If you find a 60 or 70 series that fits, LMK.

A 145/80R13 is the same size as the 145SR13 but still can be a pain to find. A 155/80R13 is .3" wider and .6" taller overall, is fairly easy to find, and works fine. I've been running one on my FS I for over a year and even had a 300+ lbs guy in the chair without an clearance issue.

I'd love to go to a 14" or even 15" wheel with a low profile tire to give it an updated look but the issues seems to be the hub. The bolt pattern is 4 on 4" (not 4 on 100mm) and finding one that looks nice is almost impossible and I've looked a lot. The problem is the 4 on 4" pattern is almost exclusively used for trailers, at least in the States, so wheel offerings are utilitarian rather than stylish.

And the way the original hub is made, I don't see how it could be redrilled. DMC offers hubs with a couple different patterns, but Jay wasn't sure how the backspacing would be compared to the stock hub, IIRC. So this could cause interference issues and brake problems (if you have brakes) ect.

So for now I'm running the stock rim, hoping a modern looking 15" mag with a 4 on 4" and the correct backspacing will drop out of the the sky someday.

Anyone running a current looking wheel/tire combo? Please share.
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Posted 6/16/2012 3:20 PM (#65267 - in reply to #55459)
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Here are a few places… all from a Google search for “145R13 tire”


www.universaltire.com/145r13-firestone-f560-blackwall.html

www.onlyoldiesgarage.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16759

www.collectorsautosupply.com

www.premiertire.com/COWYONLY.htm [they only sell in Colorado and Wyoming…go figure???]


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@ WinginCamera - Am I missing something? I'm not seeing any wheels at your Tire Factory link, just tires.
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Posted 6/17/2012 11:28 AM (#65278 - in reply to #55459)
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Sears stocks a 155/80-13. I have one waiting installation. Iprobably "carefully" analyzed fit before I bought it, though I can"t any longer be certain. (keeping my fingers crossed, install should be tried soon)
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@davids - According to a tire size calculator I have, a 155/80R13 should be about .4" wider section width and .6" taller overall diameter. Now those #s are nominal and can vary depending on manufacturer and construction but I've found them to be a decent way to compare sizes.

When thinking about the size difference remember to divide that number by 2 and then add to each side/top and bottom. That means the .4" wider will be .2" on the inside and .2" on the outside. Same for height. Your sidecar will sit .3" higher and be .3" closer to the fender on top.

Also, I mention earlier about the 4 on 4" pattern being used almost exclusively on trailers in the U.S. That creates another problem as trailer wheels are 13x5 and have a zero offset and the original Progressive wheel on the CSC is 13x5.5 and has a +15mm offset. What that all means is the inboard edge of a 13x5 trailer wheel will 10mm 21mm-ish further inboard outboard and the outside edge will be 21mm 10mm-ish further inboard outboard. On the outside, that could be tight, but IIRC it's already tight on the inside so more room could be helpful.

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Posted 6/17/2012 8:45 PM (#65289 - in reply to #65271)
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tvking63 - 6/16/2012 11:51 PM

@ WinginCamera - Am I missing something? I'm not seeing any wheels at your Tire Factory link, just tires.


No, your not missing anything. I had copied this info sometime ago and forgot it only had to do with tires only. I need to pay more attention.
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Posted 7/10/2012 8:48 PM (#65684 - in reply to #62619)
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We have a sidecar just like yours and the guy we got it from said it was a California Champion Sidecar. If anyone knows what it really is let us know. We have ours hooked to a 2004 Harley Sportster 883 XL. The rear top mount came loose from the frame a few days ago and got lost on the highway. It's the part that mounts to the frame of the motorcycle. Do you have any pictures of the rear top mount that mounts to the frame ? If so can you post them ?
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Posted 7/10/2012 9:07 PM (#65686 - in reply to #65684)
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sick055 - 7/10/2012 7:48 PM We have a sidecar just like yours and the guy we got it from said it was a California Champion Sidecar. If anyone knows what it really is let us know. We have ours hooked to a 2004 Harley Sportster 883 XL. The rear top mount came loose from the frame a few days ago and got lost on the highway. It's the part that mounts to the frame of the motorcycle. Do you have any pictures of the rear top mount that mounts to the frame ? If so can you post them ?

California and Champion are two different companies, although Champion is located in California.  The upper mount for you bike would be altogether different from my Goldwing.  Perhaps you could post a photo of your bike and of the spot where the mount is missing.  Do you still have the arm that would have been attached to the mount?

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Posted 7/11/2012 10:39 AM (#65692 - in reply to #55459)
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We make an upper rear mount for this bike that replaces the shock bolt. Our mount will work with a Champion sidecar no problem but to work with a California sidecar would require one additional part. The California sidecar uses a 3/8 inch bolt (9/16 wrench) while the Champion runs a 1/2 inch bolt (3/4 wrench) We also have triple tree's to lower the steering effort.
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Posted 7/11/2012 7:47 PM (#65707 - in reply to #55459)
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re: CSC111 sidecar tire today I had Sears mount the 155/80R13 I bought from them recently. installed the tire/wheel and found no clearance problems, subsequent ride showed no issues. Tire is a Guardsman plus P155/80R13. on sale is was $37 incl. taxes, install was no charge. I did not have them balance it, I am going to use Dyna Beads. Sears said they are going to stock these cause some small car uses this size.
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Posted 7/12/2012 12:05 AM (#65709 - in reply to #55459)
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@davids - That's good to know. I suspected that a 155/80R13 would fit OK, but now we have proof.
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Posted 7/13/2012 2:34 PM (#65740 - in reply to #65709)
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The 145 fits under the fender much better but is hard to find. On some sidecars we have found to run the 155 you must redrill the sidecar body mounts in order to move the body over so that the tire does not rub.
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Posted 7/13/2012 10:49 PM (#65747 - in reply to #55459)
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That's good tip Jay. I don't know if I'd have thought to move the body instead of spacing the wheel. I assume the tire rubs on the inside and you move the body closer to the bike?
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Posted 7/16/2012 6:15 PM (#65778 - in reply to #55459)
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Yes however you do not want to move it to far as the tire ends up not being covered by the sidecar body. For a while California was using a fender lip like you would have on a Jeep.
I will be at the national rally if any one needs advice. We are also running a sale at the rally of 10% off of sidecars.
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tvking63
Posted 7/21/2012 1:23 AM (#65846 - in reply to #55459)
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Jay, do you mean an add-on rubber/plastic sort of thing? I don't recall seeing anything like that on a sidecar.
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Posted 7/23/2012 10:56 AM (#65868 - in reply to #55459)
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Yes, California for a while was adding a rubber or plasic fender lip, It was ugly and most are now missing.
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SidecarMike
Posted 10/3/2012 10:40 PM (#67406 - in reply to #55459)
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I was cleaning out old emails tonight and came across one from Barry Bates saying he believes those round tail lights on early Friendships were the same lenses as used on Vetter saddlebags and tourboxes.  Can anyone verify this?  Or does someone have a Vetter setup they could get numbers off of?

Thanks. 

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Posted 10/4/2012 11:11 AM (#67418 - in reply to #67406)
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The lilghts were used by Vetter however they have not been made in many years. Barry's idea was that if a person picked up some used Vetter parts or had some laying around they could pull the parts off of them. The were made by petterson. Part numbers will not help as it has been at least 20 years since they were last made.
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Posted 10/4/2012 11:56 AM (#67423 - in reply to #67418)
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jaydmc - 10/4/2012 10:11 AM The lilghts were used by Vetter however they have not been made in many years. Barry's idea was that if a person picked up some used Vetter parts or had some laying around they could pull the parts off of them. The were made by petterson. Part numbers will not help as it has been at least 20 years since they were last made. Jay G DMC sidecars www.dmcsidecars.com 866-638-1793

I understand that.  I just thought with a part number, one could either find a cross reference, or maybe even get lucky at a flea market.

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Posted 10/5/2012 12:12 PM (#67449 - in reply to #67418)
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jaydmc - 10/4/2012 11:11 AM

The lilghts were used by Vetter however they have not been made in many years. Barry's idea was that if a person picked up some used Vetter parts or had some laying around they could pull the parts off of them. The were made by petterson. Part numbers will not help as it has been at least 20 years since they were last made visit this
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Have you ever used LED lights?

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Posted 10/5/2012 12:41 PM (#67451 - in reply to #55459)
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The issue is not the type of light, the issue is that the sidecar was made for 3 inch round lights. Most "trailer" type lights you can now buy are either 2 inch or 4 inch but not 3 inch. LED lights work great but not for the turn signals as they do not have enough draw for them to work mechanical type flashers so you end up either needing an electronic flasher or to add a ballist resistor. We usualy go with the resistors. For some bikes we change over to LED's mainly BMW's with Cambus system lights as some of these they do not have a tail light bulb but instead they run pulse width modulation to the brake light such that it does not apear as bright when just the tail light is called for. Also on some bikes, agian often BMW's the bikes computer will either shut the lights off as it sees to much of a load or will show a bulb error with standard bulbs but if you switch over to LED bulbs as LED bulbs draw a lot less current the computer does sense a problem. We also will change to LED bulbs and HID head lights if we are working with a bike with not much of a charging system as by lowering the draw for lighting it free's up more charging capacity for other items like heated gear.
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Posted 10/5/2012 1:43 PM (#67452 - in reply to #55459)
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Jay, on the BMW's, I assume you meant CAN bus. Just wanted to clarify so others wouldn't be confused.

floridasidecarproducts.com used to list a round replacement light for the early Friendships. But looking just now, I don't see it on there site. You had to replace the whole assembly as the lens didn't fit the original housing. Maybe a phone call could determine if they still have them.
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Posted 10/17/2012 10:55 PM (#67641 - in reply to #55459)
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Hi kids,

Just posting to maybe help those trying to source that switch on page 1 for electric lift. It's called a 'Dual Pole - Dual Throw - Normally/Open - Momentary Contact Rocker Switch' or 'DP-DT-N/O Momentary'. These have 2 paired leads at each position for a total of 6 leads. N/O refers to Normally Open, that rocker switch is 'On' only when button is pressed in one direction or the other, 'Off' when released. These switches are found on the net at prices up to $35 or $40! Available from Digi-Key on their abominable website in 12V - 20A for about $9-$15 for a waterproof and illuminated switch. Most will fit a standard mini-rectangular cutout of 37mm x 21mm with .250" flat spade connectors but other switch body sizes are available.

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll

In case Digi-Key URL doesn't work, some Digi-Key part numbers:

432-1098-ND, 480-2143-ND, 432-1305-ND, 432-1304-ND, KG472A2XXA21XX-ND, KG472A2DXA246X-ND

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Posted 10/17/2012 11:41 PM (#67643 - in reply to #67641)
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XLerate - 10/17/2012 9:55 PM Hi kids, Just posting to maybe help those trying to source that switch on page 1 for electric lift. It's called a 'Dual Pole - Dual Throw - Normally/Open - Momentary Contact Rocker Switch' or 'DP-DT-N/O Momentary'. These have 2 paired leads at each position for a total of 6 leads. N/O refers to Normally Open, that rocker switch is 'On' only when button is pressed in one direction or the other, 'Off' when released. These switches are found on the net at prices up to $35 or $40! Available from Digi-Key on their abominable website in 12V - 20A for about $9-$15 for a waterproof and illuminated switch. Most will fit a standard mini-rectangular cutout of 37mm x 21mm with .250" flat spade connectors but other switch body sizes are available. http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll In case Digi-Key URL doesn't work, some Digi-Key part numbers: 432-1098-ND, 480-2143-ND, 432-1305-ND, 432-1304-ND, KG472A2XXA21XX-ND, KG472A2DXA246X-ND .

 

I mounted one sideways on the Goldwing.  If the bike pulls  right, I move the lever left.  If pulling left, I move it right.  Laughing  Eliminates those "Senior Moments"

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Posted 10/18/2012 12:00 PM (#67654 - in reply to #55459)
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We also have these switches. The ones we sell are known as motor reversing switches in that they come from the factroy with jumper wires already installed so that they only have 4 posts to hook wires up to.
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Posted 12/6/2012 10:34 AM (#68569 - in reply to #55459)
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Did anybody ever find a shock part number or replacement for the FS III .
Geo.
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Posted 2/10/2013 11:51 PM (#69562 - in reply to #55459)
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This guy is reproducing tail light lenses for early California Friendship 1 and 2. http://floridasidecarproducts.com/california_sidecar_parts I've bought a couple things from him and am happy with my purchases, but have not tried one of these. They wouldn't fit my III.

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Posted 3/24/2013 1:52 PM (#70484 - in reply to #55459)
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just a note,i have been running a kuhmo 155/80 r 13 on a friendship 3 with a matching 15"kuhmo on the tug for 4 years now, works great and wears like iron.my tug is a suzuki cavalcade 1986.I run a dunlop on the front,its actually a rear tire mounted backwards.130/90 16 elite 2.also on another note, has anyone tried an air shock on a hack,kind of a poor mans equalean.
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Posted 3/25/2013 11:33 PM (#70530 - in reply to #55459)
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BRAKE Pad info -- Last June, I found that I needed brake work on my FS-3 with the F04 Brembo calipers --- came on to these post, got numbers for pads and no one had any at the time in the world -- took my disc rotor and had it turn at the local auto parts and it came out ok -- also bought one from Jay at DMC. So we were ready for a trip, but not pads for the car -- I went to a local shop to hang out and saw some pads that look like they might fit. Brought them and they were the correct ones.

I have been told, these calipers are used quite a bit on choppers -------- the label says --- GMA 'F' PADS Replacement pads for Model 'F' Calipers
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Posted 3/25/2013 11:52 PM (#70531 - in reply to #70530)
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Txart - 3/25/2013 10:33 PM BRAKE Pad info -- Last June, I found that I needed brake work on my FS-3 with the F04 Brembo calipers --- came on to these post, got numbers for pads and no one had any at the time in the world -- took my disc rotor and had it turn at the local auto parts and it came out ok -- also bought one from Jay at DMC. So we were ready for a trip, but not pads for the car -- I went to a local shop to hang out and saw some pads that look like they might fit. Brought them and they were the correct ones. I have been told, these calipers are used quite a bit on choppers -------- the label says --- GMA 'F' PADS Replacement pads for Model 'F' Calipers

My first thought was, Great!  Then I went to GMA's website and saw this..." 

 

 

NOTE THAT MOST GMA CALIPER KITS ARE DISCONTINUED -

WE HAVE REAR CONVERSION KITS AND SOME FRONT CALIPERS AND KITS -

CALL FIRST - DO NOT ORDER ANY GMA PARTS ONLINE

 

 

I plan to order a couple spares tomorrow, just to be safe. 

I did notice, though, that it lists the F caliper as a direct replacement for Harley Davidson- 1984 and up with 11 1/2 inch rotor.  Anyone out there have something they could match this pad up to verify?

Thanks for finding this! 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 3/26/2013 12:06 AM (#70533 - in reply to #70531)
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They came as a set of 4 so I still have 2, but I'll order some more

Found listings on E bay!!!

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Posted 3/26/2013 10:56 AM (#70537 - in reply to #55459)
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We also stock the pads for the older F04 calipars. We just can not get the calipars or rebuild kits any longer.
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Posted 5/2/2013 12:57 PM (#71277 - in reply to #55459)
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Anyone know where I can find a latch for a friendship III? I managed to break the inside latch when closing the sidecar this weekend when I didn't notice it was flipped inward :\ I can run just the outer one to keep the lid closed, but would be nice to find a replacement...
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Posted 5/2/2013 1:02 PM (#71278 - in reply to #55459)
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I found a SS one for $60 :\ http://www.thethingshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=181871383-5ST



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Posted 6/16/2013 4:55 PM (#72186 - in reply to #55459)
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Tire suggestion for Canadians... in a Gold Wing forum I read some good advice regarding checking date codes on tires. Checked the tire on my CSC Friendship II and discovered that it was 17 years old! Obviously not a lot of miles put on my sidecar since new, as there was still lots of tread depth remaining. I found a MotoMaster AW 155/80R13 at Canadian Tire for only $38 - it seems to fit well enough (no rubbing), and I have my height adjust linear actuator set at only 25%, so the tub sits pretty low over the wheel/tire. Cheap Tire, and replacements available at Cdn Tire stores coast to coast.
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Posted 6/23/2013 2:31 PM (#72318 - in reply to #55459)
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Well, CSC is holding true to form. 

They pick some of the oddest interchange parts. 

I lost a lug nut and played hell finding one to fit.  It's a standard 1/2-20 thread, but extends through the rim.  Finally came up with a match...Wouldn't you know?  A 1980 AMC Eagle!

 

Dorman number 711-208

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Thank you for the FSIII drawing, I'm putting a hitch light cable on today and this will help!
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