Ballast
Bulldog
Posted 5/7/2011 10:15 AM (#57679)
Subject: Ballast



Posts: 14
As a newer sidecar owner, where is the best place internal od the car to place the ballast. I have had a few different ideas from behind the seat to evenly spread thougout the car. Just need experienced hackers to help. Thanks
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RichardMc4
Posted 5/7/2011 10:57 AM (#57680 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 1141
Location: Williston, Fl
Back and outboard
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Hack'n
Posted 5/7/2011 11:41 AM (#57681 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
Place soft or secured ballast material behind (or under) the seat. To the rear of the body and to the right side (US) if you can.
Movable hard ballast can severly damage the body if it shifts during a hard maneuver. Weight in the front end can cause the the car to dip it's nose into the sand, or worse the pavement, if braking in a hard left turn, or downhill.
I've seen many URAL rigs with road scars under the nose since they have little wheel lead and are heavy cars.

Lonnie
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SidecarMike
Posted 5/7/2011 7:42 PM (#57688 - in reply to #57681)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 1710
Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin USA
Weight in the front also increases the tendency to shake the handlebars (tank slapper).
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Bulldog
Posted 5/8/2011 4:04 PM (#57710 - in reply to #57688)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 14
Thanks for the info. Will let you all know how it goes. Also, looking to get a headlight for a Velorex 700 car. Any suggestions?
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SwampFox
Posted 5/8/2011 6:20 PM (#57717 - in reply to #57710)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 1660
Location: Summer Grove, LA USA
Hey Bulldog:

I'm a little slow to respond, but I have a 25 pound barbell weight positioned as far out and back behind the seat of the Texas Sidecar as I could. It is zip-tied several times to a piece of thin plywood cut to fit, painted black and bolted to the floor by the main body to frame bolts, with the weight wrapped in black "trunk carpet."

I would rather have the weight mounted to the frame under the car, but I can't weld or fabricate, so was my compromise using extra stuff lying around the house/shed.
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denim
Posted 5/8/2011 8:45 PM (#57724 - in reply to #57717)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 57
Location: Huntsville, Texas
i do something similar with a lead brick. it is about 25lbs, and i also have 25lbs bolted under the frame. i bought a piece of 3/4 iron plate and had it cut about 3" by 40?" had holes drilled and have it attached toward the out-board using the bolts that attach the body to the frame. this makes the sidecar weigh about 175lbs. i have to have half my ballast portable because with the sidecar being so light the suspension is too weak to handle a total over 375lbs with passenger. so when she is with me i stow the lead brick on a luggage rack mounted to the rear fender of the bike.
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Bulldog
Posted 5/13/2011 9:49 AM (#57805 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 14
Little follow up. If I want to use the bags of shot, where is the best place to get it. I have seen it as much as 3.45 a pound. The best so far was on EBAY and that was 2.45 a pound. Any help would be appreciated.Ebay shipping can be prohibitive. Usually the best source is a local gunshop, or put a wanted ad on Craigslist. Someone out there will have a reloader and big stock of shot. I used to buy 10 bags at a time and got it for about 1/2 price.
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grumpycrw
Posted 5/14/2011 8:15 AM (#57822 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: RE: Ballast


Posts: 59
Location: Griswold,ct
i got a 50lbs of sand at homedepot under 3 dollars
i used sip lock bags large
full the wieght 10lbe to much bags brake open
then i tryed halk full 5lbs work find
i used two bags to make sure that they don't brake
i spread out 10 bags under seat and in trunk
i carry 50lbs all the time i also have anouther 10 bags
for when i need them at 5 lbs i know how i am putting
in or out

i cut a pice of carper to cover don't even know that is there
cost under 10 dollars
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Hack'n
Posted 5/14/2011 11:02 AM (#57823 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
The fabric tote bags from Home Depot, Walmart, etc. will hold 50# of sand wrapped in plastic bags and are easily handled. I used to use pickup traction sand tubes for my new clients to start out with but these are much easier to lift into the sidecar trunk. Inexpensive and no potential body damage with these.

lonnie
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grumpycrw
Posted 5/14/2011 8:15 PM (#57833 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: RE: Ballast


Posts: 59
Location: Griswold,ct
that was my first try
imoved seat back rest to open trunk
i tryed to put the tote 50 lbs in
i ended up pulling my back out, didn' do much for a few days
have to brake down the weight
i do use the totes 4 per tote and they still lay flat
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Bulldog
Posted 5/15/2011 6:57 PM (#57845 - in reply to #57833)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 14
Going to look into that. Not having much luck in the shot department. Found some on Ebay but they want a lot on money. Thanks for that info. I am sure I will have more questions as I go along. This is a great site and forum for infomation, glad I found it. Everyone ride safe. Thanks again.
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tmuilenberg
Posted 5/16/2011 3:32 PM (#57871 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: RE: Ballast



Posts: 44
Location: Magnolia, TX
I use a 5 gallon water jug from the camping supplies dept. of Academy. At 8.345 lbs. per gallon, the 5 gallon jug weighs just over 42 lbs. Add more to suit. There is no chance of damaging body work with these.

If you pick up a passenger just empty the water and off you go. Refill when necessary.

Terry
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Lloyd
Posted 5/17/2011 1:08 AM (#57892 - in reply to #57871)
Subject: RE: Ballast


Posts: 161
Location: Columbiaville, MI.
I checked Midway USA, a mail order, internet shooting supplier a couple of months ago, their price for lead shoot was pretty reasonable at the time. I haven't ordered any yet but, it was the best price that I could come up with. My thoughts were to put it in 3 inch clear vinyl tubing from Home Depot with wooden plugs secured with hose clamps on the end, in lenghts that would make up about 25 pounds so that I could handle it. Don't know if this would really work, but it sounded reasonable to me.
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Hack'n
Posted 5/17/2011 11:29 AM (#57895 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
The shot usually comes in sturdy 25# bags.

Lonnie
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J.R.
Posted 7/4/2011 9:05 AM (#58831 - in reply to #57680)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 356
Location: Crockett Tx
Old blue jean legs filled with sand work good. They can be cut to fit almost any where and are cheap. J.R.
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82gl1100iwingman
Posted 7/10/2011 11:00 AM (#58935 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast


What's ballast? (jk) Aint it more fun to run without? I have a 86 Goldwing Aspy with a Champion Escort and never run ballast.
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Al Olme
Posted 7/10/2011 1:44 PM (#58943 - in reply to #58935)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 1734
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
I don't use ballast any more but then I always have a bunch of junk in the sidecar trunk so maybe I do.  ;^)  Anyway, I've got a bunch of old cast iron window sash weights that I can't bring myself to throw away.  If anyone wants them and will pick them up in Minneapolis, they're welcomed to them.  Shipping costs would be ridiculous.  [TLMaryann would be pleased to see them go!]
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Bulldog
Posted 7/11/2011 8:38 AM (#58963 - in reply to #58943)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 14
Thanks a bunch guy's. I finally used sandbags. Got it pretty much down now. I have a Venture Midnight Star with a Velorex 700. Was worried about it at first, but after calling Velorex and having a great installer hooking up the car, I am really surprised how great this car and bike work together. I have no car slapping, no pull, no wheel shake no problems at all. I am just so pleased with it. I want to thank all who have helped with this.
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LowingLight
Posted 7/27/2011 9:46 AM (#59243 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: RE: Ballast



Posts: 1
Location: Wyoming, Michigan
One of your users mentioned our stainless steel shot bags as an option for ballast a few years ago.

I want to remind you that we still make these ballast bags. They're made of tough genuine CORDURA and filled with stainless steel (*NOT* lead) in weights of 5 pounds, 8, 10, 15, 20, and our most popular 25. They feature a dual-pouch butterfly-with-handle design for easy use and storage, as well as precise weight placement.

If you have a different design you'd like, tell me about it and we can make it for you.

http://www.lowinglight.com/shotbags.shtml

We want to help make your riding experience as safe and exciting as it can be.

Thanks!

-- Steve at Lowing Light & Grip
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Buckaroo50
Posted 8/7/2011 12:03 AM (#59453 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 14
Location: Port Townsend, WA
I am with Wingman here. No ballast is much more fun but does require a bit more skill to pull off. The bonus in performance with an underpowered rig is worth it to me running empty. I've got a suzuki savage with a velorex hack... light and quick!

Buckaroo
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maxm
Posted 8/8/2011 4:10 PM (#59500 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Do you have Phelinous's old rig? Max
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Buckaroo50
Posted 10/9/2011 1:52 PM (#60908 - in reply to #59500)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 14
Location: Port Townsend, WA
Maxm -

I did have the Phelonius Phlyer for a bit but it was passed on to a young'n in Fife, WA. He drives it every day. Big Jim is in Hawi on the Big Island with a Kenna on a Shadow 750 and a Dual Sport rig for those washed out back roads. I still have my Buckaroo Special - Savage/Velorex (no ballast). I am putting the Velo on a R-65 and thinking about putting a Motorvation Spyder on my Valk.... zoom zoom
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cmaridersa
Posted 12/2/2011 10:38 AM (#61814 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 20
Location: Hondo, TX
Battery in the back served as ballast in the 562 Veleorex. In the CA Friendship I, a 1/4" steel plate bolted to the frame worked well. Never used ballast in the Champion Escort, HD sidecar, or the Texas Ranger. The Ural always has ballast in the form of tools, spare parts, jack, and oil.
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Bob Hunt
Posted 12/14/2011 8:08 PM (#61975 - in reply to #57805)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 241
Location: Boiling Springs, NC
The best place I've found to buy gun shot around where I live is a good gun shop. The ones I have are around 40-45 dollars for a 25 lb. bag and they work really well.
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wvsporty
Posted 12/30/2011 12:07 PM (#62188 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 413
Location: Inwood WV
I started out with 2 50# bags of Pea Gravel from Lowe's one in front of the seat and one in back. The one up front works perfect for the grandson to rest his feet on . I have a small floor mat covering the bag and you cant even see it . He loves having a place to put hsi feet since he cant in a car. i am working on making my own small bags to make it easier to move
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Buckaroo50
Posted 12/30/2011 12:44 PM (#62189 - in reply to #62188)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 14
Location: Port Townsend, WA

Having ballast in the nose of the sidecar is not a very good idea. Hit the front brake on a hard left hand turn and you might find out why. The best location for ballast is over the hack axle toward the outside. Check out the 'Yellow Book' pages 88-89 about tip-over lines.

Rubber side down/ shiny side up!

Buckaroo
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cmaridersa
Posted 12/30/2011 12:52 PM (#62190 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 20
Location: Hondo, TX
Tipover lines?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNwVmIUmwBI

(Sorry to hijack!)
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Hack'n
Posted 12/30/2011 1:56 PM (#62196 - in reply to #62188)
Subject: Re: Ballast



Posts: 4833
Location: Boise, Idaho
With front ballast, on downhill or left turn brakng the sidecar can dip it's nose into the ground. No wheel up there to support it as there is with a 4 wheeler. You'll see many URAL sidecars with roadrash under the nose since they use minimal wheel lead.
Keep your ballast low and to the rear.

Lonnie
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col faulkner
Posted 5/1/2012 2:12 PM (#64551 - in reply to #57679)
Subject: Re: Ballast


Posts: 7
I have about 75lbs in the trunk of the Ural Patrol. Put a pad down first. The weight is in a HK SWAT bag. Not had the chair in the air yet. I'm a beginner rider of side cars. Rode street and dirt for 33yrs.
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