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jaydmc
Posted 5/14/2015 3:03 PM (#84379)
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We just got an Inder sidecar in that was purchased for a Enfield and advertised as "fitting Enfield" it first went to another shop who found the wheel bearings seized up and a missing shock. They gave up trying to get safer whole sale to take care of the missing shock, they then spent over 10 hours trying to figure out how the mounts which "fit Enfield" could possible work before they gave up and we ended up with it. The first thing I did was phone safer whole sale to get a shock. I was told that I had to speak with the parts department and that they were closed (they advertise open 24/7) I phoned today and was transferred to parts, after waiting 10 minutes with out any one acknowledging I was on hold I gave up and phoned back and was told by Dan who claims to be the manager that I could not speak with the owner, that it was owned by a group of investors (it is not) and as such he was the only person I could speak with. He told me that I would have to hold for parts and that the wait would be about 30 minutes, it was. I then spoke with Jerry in parts who told me that I was wrong and that it does not use a shock to which I told him that no, this is not a Cozy which has a torsion bar suspension but rather an Inder (there adds show a photo of a Cozy which is what my customer should have received, the bodies look the same.) I was then told to send them a photo, that they would send it to India to see about getting parts as they do not stock parts. This coming from the "parts department" as an importer they have a legal obligation to stock parts. I asked again to speak with some one in charge as this was not an acceptable answer, my customer at this point had been trying to resolve this for 9 months! They put me back on hold, I gave up after another 10 minutes, it being a total waste of time.

I also had some one not long ago order one of these sidecars for his BMW R100 again advertised as "fitting BMW" his sidecar was actually a scooter sidecar and it came with out a wheel, they told him to phone a sidecar shop and order a sidecar wheel as they are all the same.

I decided to file a complaint with the BBB which I did but what I found is that they have a rating of "F" with almost 200 complaints (safer whole sales parent company is Great Sports located at 2108 McDough st Joliet IL 60436) of which over 100 went with out answer. The state of IL is also suing on behalf of its citizens and wants their business license revoked and damages for its citizens. The most common complaint is that some thing was ordered and paid with either a debit card or a check. It never arrived and when they finally get through to the company are offered store credit, if they insist on their money back they are told it can take up to 60 days to cut a check and when the check never arrives the company will not speak to them or answer their emails.

Here is a link to the BBB on this company
http://www.bbb.org/chicago/business-reviews/motor-scooters-dealers/...
In short stay away from this company!!!!

Jay G
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www.dmcsidecars.com
866-638-1793

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Hack'n
Posted 5/14/2015 4:13 PM (#84380 - in reply to #84379)
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We also recently had a similar experience at Northwest Sidecars where a handicapped client was going to have us install a 562C Velorex on his 2002 Sportster. He later called and said he had purchased a URAL sidecar with all of the mounts for a Sportster for less than a Velorex and would I still install it for him. I told him he didn't have to buy his sidecar from me in order to have us install it.
He said he got it from a company in Ontario. I don't know if it was Ontario, CA, Ontario, OR, or Ontario, Canada. After a few months he called and said the sidecar was finally delivered, on the curbside in Boise, and would we pick it up as he had no way to do it. We agreed and when we got there it was in a crate marked from India. The owner followed us back to the shop where we opened the crate and found the car was a complete Inder with 3 unusual shaped pieces of metal that I assumed were supposed to be mounts, although they fit nothing on the sidecar.
The owner was very disappointed with the quality of the car, to say the least, but found he was stuck with it.
He finally decided to have us install it and we did so with all fabricated mounts. He was ultimately satisfied with the completed rig, but the end cost was quite a bit more than if he would have gone with the original Velorex deal and he got quite a bit less for his money.

It pays to do a bit of research before buying a pig in a poke.

Lonnie

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Snakeoil
Posted 5/14/2015 6:08 PM (#84381 - in reply to #84379)
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I see these sidecars on fleabay all the time. My favorite ad is the line of sidcars sitting on saw horses or picnic tables under some canopy and they are all in primer. I think many of them are from some outfit in Lousiana.

The only way to deal with people like this is with a visit from the Tartaglia brothers.

regards,
Rob
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jaydmc
Posted 5/14/2015 6:18 PM (#84382 - in reply to #84379)
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There is a company in the USA selling sidecars through Safer Whole sale, I see these sidecars on craigs list from people who purchased the sidecars and found that they poor quality and can not be installed with the provided hardware. I handed photo's their sidecars mounted, around to my employee's to see how many "Wrong" things they could find in the photo. Improper wheel lead (in one case behind the rear wheel of the bike) in another case the lower rear mounts was attached to the swing arm.
Jay G
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Phelonius
Posted 5/14/2015 11:19 PM (#84385 - in reply to #84379)
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That's the stuff that gives sidecars a bad name. I don't know who the Tartaglia brothers are but if they use the hands on technique for communication, good on-em.
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Gummiente
Posted 5/25/2015 6:23 AM (#84508 - in reply to #84379)
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Jay, thanks for the info on this. I'd seen their ads before and thought something seemed a bit off, now my suspicions are confirmed. Many thanks to you for taking the bull by the horns and investigating these idiots.

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Gummiente
Posted 5/25/2015 6:27 AM (#84509 - in reply to #84380)
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Hack'n - 5/14/2015 4:13 PM

He said he got it from a company in Ontario. I don't know if it was Ontario, CA, Ontario, OR, or Ontario, Canada.


I'm in Ontario, Canada, and don't know of any company here that sells discount sidecars. He may have purchased it from one of the other Royal Enfield dealers here, though, as some of them had ordered in the Inder sidecars from our RE distributor. We prefer to use the Cozy sidecars and get ours through Sportmax, the Canadian distributor out on the west coast.
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Hack'n
Posted 5/25/2015 10:43 AM (#84513 - in reply to #84379)
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I've dealt with Kevin of SportMax in the past. We had a good working relationship until "Homeland Security" raised it's ugly head and we could no longer suffer the delays, nor expense, of their impounding our foreign sidecar shipments for up to 2 months for fear of Terrorism.
(Chicken Little syndrome).

Lonnie
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claude #3563
Posted 5/25/2015 10:53 AM (#84514 - in reply to #84379)
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Go to the safer wholesale site and look at the sidecar section. Call them. They will probably transfer you to a guy named Jim. Ask about sidecars. Ask where they are made. Ask if the mounting is bike specific. Ask if they have one for a GL1800 or a ZX1400 Ninja or a Harley. The answers will be amazing. . Thanks for posting JAY you are dead on!!!!

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b5rider
Posted 6/8/2015 11:10 AM (#84773 - in reply to #84379)
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I had huge issues with my Inder sidecar, including the wheel bearings, shoddy paint, dented, and a bowed floorboard. I bought it from an outfit in Louisiana, and they refunded me all of my money after I sent it back. Overall a positive experience with the seller, but not the sidecar.
I have since bought a bike with a California Eagle sidecar attached, and that chair is made really well (except for the mounting bracketry) for a 30+ year-old sidecar.
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Ebayru
Posted 6/26/2015 6:05 PM (#85085 - in reply to #84773)
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I purchased an Inder sidecar. I ordered it with a brake. They sent a backing plate for a motorcycle FRONT wheel (no place to attach a stay rod) and a wheel with NO brake drum. The paint was pretty but painted over rust. The swing arm bearing was frozen and the welding was done without the use of a square as there was no such thing as a 90 degree weld. After locating the proper wheel, proper bearing for the swing arm and a lot of custom fabrication, I have a functional decent looking sidecar. Would I recommend Inder? NO WAY!
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jaydmc
Posted 10/9/2015 7:11 PM (#86479 - in reply to #84379)
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I wanted to bump this back to the top of the list. Today I have had two calls about sidecars from Saferwhole sale, one the person was told that it would work for sure on his Triumph Rocket 3 and the other was told it would fit his Valkyrie. This sidecar on either bike would be suicidal and yet they not only insist that it is the right sidecar for the bikes, they even insist that the "universal" type mounts would work. Ok, the Valkyrie does have a tube frame and they do provide frame clamps however the tubing is larger then the clamps and on the Rocket 3 there is no lower frame. For any one not familiar with these two bike, they are both quite large, the Rocket 3 is a three cylinder 2300cc bike and the Valkyrie is a 1520cc six cylinder bike! These are not bikes that a sidecar for a single cylinder bike or scooter should ever be mounted to.
Jay G
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bigjames
Posted 3/26/2016 11:07 PM (#88447 - in reply to #84379)
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As I understand it, Inder is the domestic (and cheaper) sidecar made by the same folks who make Cozy, Cozy is geared for the western market. Regardless, either one a big bike is nuts!
About safer wholesale, run away. If you know me and see what I ride then notice I am agreeing with Jay, that should tell you all you need to know.

take a look:

http://cozyindia.in/

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J.R.
Posted 4/2/2016 11:22 AM (#88543 - in reply to #84379)
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I ran a couple of Inder's on Avanell's 650 Burgman. She rids aggressivly and shook the bodies apart. I odered them from Inder until Homelnd security got involved. They are definately not made for large machines. Just right or Burgman.
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EdwinJ
Posted 5/1/2016 2:09 PM (#88911 - in reply to #84379)
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In looking at their site online, i came across a statement that the car was not for use at speeds above 55 mph. That should be a dead giveaway as to their quality.
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jwshort
Posted 5/2/2016 9:52 PM (#88951 - in reply to #84379)
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I received a phone call from Mary at Motorvation. Someone had ordered one of these sidecars and wanted Gary at Motorvation to install it. The couple who ordered the car were obviously seduced by the low price and the advertised statement the sidecar would fit anything. They had a large cruiser - I don't remember which one. The folks at Motorvation were very unhappy with the whole situation and wanted me to see what I could do. My only solution is to try to warn people about Safer Wholesale. If you Google their website you will find that they sell anything and everything - not just poorly built sidecars that are supposed to fit any bike. Sleaze incorporated. Keep spreading the word guys. We need to shut this outfit down.
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Al Olme
Posted 6/24/2016 12:04 PM (#89604 - in reply to #88951)
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Be WARNED! Safer Sidecars, Safer Wholesale is now doing business under the name RT Sidecars from a new website, www.rtsidecars.com. These guys are putting out an dangerous product in that they claim it fits ALL motorcycles. They also claim that it is made in America, which I doubt. Do not fall for the low prices. They are selling a vastly inferior product on a par with the cheapest Chinese and Indian made sidecars. If you have a very small bike or a scooter with less than 100cc and want sidecar to carry groceries they might be alright but the mounts aren't. Even if you buy one of these as a grocery cart, buy mounts from a reputable dealer. Better yet, AVOID THESE GUYS LIKE THE PLAGUE!
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jwshort
Posted 6/24/2016 12:49 PM (#89605 - in reply to #84379)
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Thanks for the warning Al. These guys never quit and haven't learned anything except how to dupe the public. Lies and deception are accompanied by an inferior product. JUST DON"T BUY THESE SIDECARS!!!
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dawg gone
Posted 6/24/2016 3:48 PM (#89606 - in reply to #89605)
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if the price seems too good to be true IT IS. Would you go to a doctor who charged a very low fee? Remember its your life on the line with both.

Dale
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trikebldr
Posted 6/25/2016 12:51 AM (#89609 - in reply to #89606)
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dawg gone - 6/24/2016 2:48 PM

if the price seems too good to be true IT IS. Would you go to a doctor who charged a very low fee? Remember its your life on the line with both.

Dale


DAMN! You mean my two-fer coupons for apendectamies probably aren't worth much? But, I had my appointment for this Sunday, and he said he would pull the mobile O.R. into my driveway!
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Doug Hasert
Posted 7/6/2016 9:17 PM (#89775 - in reply to #84379)
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Looked at there website , too small for anything over a 250 cc but I would not put one on my Honda Helix !
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jaydmc
Posted 10/4/2016 4:53 PM (#90940 - in reply to #84379)
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back to the top as it is important, just dealing with another person today that they sold a sidecar to that can not be mounted with the hardware provided.
Jay G
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Valkrider
Posted 10/4/2016 5:05 PM (#90941 - in reply to #90940)
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As a recent member I've just been looking around at different sidecar sources. I ran across Safer on my own and immediately felt like it was not a company I wanted to do business with. Not sure why, except they only seemed to be an importer or? Thanks for reposting so now I know for sure.
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jaydmc
Posted 11/14/2016 10:26 AM (#91423 - in reply to #84379)
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back to the top as we keep running into people that these companies have taken. Latest was to go on a Burgman 650.
Jay G
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jwshort
Posted 11/14/2016 10:45 AM (#91426 - in reply to #84379)
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The site that does the BMWMOA classified has quit running the adds for this outfit at my insistence. They were just taking motorcycle related stuff off Ebay and these junky sidecars were showing up there. It took a couple of weeks but I got them to listen.
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