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Al Olme
Posted 11/15/2016 7:37 PM (#91449 - in reply to #84379)
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When reading and considering the post from NCDave wherein he acquired a sidecar from Safer Wholesale and installed in on a 1600 Nomad, please take a moment to go back and look at post #90225. Dave I'm sorry but I can't just let folks even consider doing what you did.

Dave admitted that he had to do a lot of modifications to make his purchase work. That is to his credit. He also reminded folks that he bought a very cheap sidecar and that he is admittedly stubborn. Dave pointed out that the was told that his sidecar was a "one-off" design with heavier tubing than the standard wimpy Inder. He might have also reminded you that he was told that by the guy trying to sell him the sidecar, the same guy that said it would fit ANY motorcycle. Dave also mentioned that he couldn't use the universal mounts that came with the bike and in the end, he had to do some welding. He mentioned that by the time he is done he will have invested about $3,000 but he didn't remind folks that for that sort of money a person could find a nice used hack that was actually suited to a big big like his Nomad.

At the end of the day, no matter how much money he puts into it, Dave's Nomad/Safer rig will NEVER be safe. The car is WAY TOO LIGHT for the Nomad and if you put enough ballast into the car to make it weigh enough, the frame wouldn't take it. I don't believe that the sidecar frame will take the stress put on it by the Nomad in time.

Dave, we appreciate your enthusiasm and the fact that in four short months you have become a regular poster here. I encourage you to continue but please, anyone who reads this should know that what Dave did is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I know that I am not the ultimate authority on what makes a good sidecar rig but ask anyone who is in the business, any experienced sidecar rigger or even an experienced driver [aside from the guys at Safer] for their view on this and I'm confident that they would agree. The sidecars from Safer were designed to be used on very small bikes and even then, they were built for the bottom of the market in a third world country. If you are driving a 70cc scooter and never exceed 25mph, the Safer is the car for you.

At the end of the day, you should know that I'm not attacking Dave, I'm just fed up with what Safer is doing to our sport. Every sale that they make is adding another unhappy first time sidecarist to the world. Those folks might believe that all sidecars are as poorly constructed, difficult to mount and unsafe as the junk that Safer is pushing. If they do, we will have lost a potential sidecar friend. Of course, that's just my opinion, you'll hear others.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 11/16/2016 9:20 AM (#91452 - in reply to #84379)
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Seems to me the best use for a Safer (what a misnomer!!) would be to mount it to a rusty old motorcycle or frame, fill it with potting soil and make yard art in a flower bed.
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Hack'n
Posted 11/16/2016 10:25 AM (#91453 - in reply to #84379)
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I think yard art needs a more classic Hack, Tom.

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Reardan Tom
Posted 11/16/2016 10:47 AM (#91454 - in reply to #84379)
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For some reason I can't see your photos and when I click the links I get a message saying the site isn't working. At any rate, I tried to buy a classic sidecar just for the purpose of yard art at the swap meet back in October. The owner was way too proud of it for my purposes...



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hdrghack
Posted 11/16/2016 12:14 PM (#91456 - in reply to #91454)
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Tom,

What was he asking for the body?   looks like a servi-car frame in the front of the picture where was the swap meet at?

 

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Al Olme
Posted 11/16/2016 1:00 PM (#91457 - in reply to #91456)
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Chuck,

Am I right in thinking that's a type 1 HD body?
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hdrghack
Posted 11/16/2016 2:10 PM (#91459 - in reply to #91457)
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1936 to 1967 it also looks like the side was modified for a door,half the time the flooring is rotted in them

The frame in front is for the 3 wheeled servi-cars 

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Al Olme
Posted 11/16/2016 3:41 PM (#91461 - in reply to #91459)
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hdrghack - 11/16/2016 1:10 PM

">1936 to 1967 it also looks like the side was modified for a door,half the time the flooring is rotted in them. The frame in front is for the 3 wheeled servi-cars" 


Damn Motor Company, changing models after only 31 years!
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Reardan Tom
Posted 11/16/2016 3:48 PM (#91462 - in reply to #84379)
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He was asking $500 first. Came down a bit. Swap meet was north of Spokane at the Humane Society back in October. I can track the guy down if you want me to. Bottom is pretty rusted out...



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hdrghack
Posted 11/16/2016 3:53 PM (#91463 - in reply to #91462)
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No thanks Tom, not to bad of a price I was curious like I had mentioned they usually are rotted out having the side cut out didn't help but the bottom looks better than some I have seen in the past.  Thanks!!


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claude #3563
Posted 4/3/2017 10:56 PM (#93022 - in reply to #84379)
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I just posted a video on my facebook about this . They are now making their own 'sidecars' made which almost make the previous ones look good. Feel free to comment there or of course here. https://www.facebook.com/freedom.sidecars
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jaydmc
Posted 5/31/2017 3:41 PM (#93678 - in reply to #84379)
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Working with another customer of Safer whole sale, they have a sidecar that looks very much like the 1950's Harley sidecar body on a chassis with NO suspension, no way of using the "hardware" that came with the sidecar that was suppose to "fit" their burgman and NO support from the company that sold this "sidecar" and of course no refund. We can make it all work for them but they will have a lot more into it and still have a sidecar with out suspension and they will have to do some welding on the sidecar frame in order to use our hardware.
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ncdave
Posted 5/31/2017 9:20 PM (#93682 - in reply to #84379)
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I think I know what my next project will be!!! :-D :-D :-D

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jaydmc
Posted 9/6/2017 10:45 AM (#94980 - in reply to #84379)
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Time to this back to the top, Just had an inquiry from some one who purchased their "Beemer" sidecar. It came with out a tire, fender, struts of any kind and absolutely no bike side hardware. And of course the company is of no help at all.
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prmurat1
Posted 9/6/2017 1:46 PM (#94982 - in reply to #84379)
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