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MrMike
Posted 3/1/2016 11:47 PM (#88085)
Subject: Trailer Tire Conversion



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My Yamaha V-Star/Velorex 562 rig eats tires. It has gone through two new tires in less than 5,000 miles. Have discussed this elsewhere on the forum.

She is in the shop right now and tomorrow we start the surgery. Got ahold of one of Lonnie Cook's conversion units and will begin the swap out. Hope to takes some pictures and post notes about progress here. Don't know how detailed I can get since organizing that rally set for April 2nd is burning up a lot of my time. Wish me luck.

Mike in MS
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Sal
Posted 3/2/2016 4:50 AM (#88086 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Does your Velorex have the small diameter axle?
Please keep us updated as this or similar conversion is in our future plans.
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jaydmc
Posted 3/2/2016 10:32 AM (#88090 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion


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If you are using up tires in only 5000 miles the problem is not the wheel or tire, normally the trailer wheel is done as the axle size is only 15mm on some of these sidecars and really is not up to the task should you ever have to do hard evasive maneuvers or hit a curb. The real problem if you are eating up tires that quickly is your alignment is off. If you mounted the sidecar using Velorexes so called "universal" hardware chances are good that the mounts have either slipped or that the triangulation of the mounts is not good enough for the alignment to be the same statically as it is dynamically, meaning once going down the road the alignment is not the same as when you check while at the shop. I have attached instructions as to how to set alignment which you will need to do once you change the wheel.
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MrMike
Posted 3/2/2016 9:07 PM (#88096 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: RE: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Sal

The Velorex 562 I have is "old". It does not have a data plate but the previous owner and I both believe it was made in the early 1970s. It does have the small diameter axle. That contributed to my decision to do the conversion. I will try to keep you posted with notes and hopefully pictures. The shop I deal with is very user friendly (?) and they are going to let me assist with the work. (!) Mostly just watching I suspect. Do to my wife having other priorities, I was not able to start on it today. Should get on it tomorrow morning.

More later.

Mike
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MrMike
Posted 3/2/2016 9:15 PM (#88097 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: RE: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Have discussed the tire wear use on another thread on this forum. It shows excessive wear right in the center of the tread. The rig tracks true, and does not even have a steering damper. The first tire on it was a Haidenau which lasted a little less than 2,400 miles. I swore I'd get at least 2,500 out of the Avon that replaced it but gave up at a little over 2,400 as threads were showing in the center of the tire and I was reluctant to push it any more. I'm sure we will have to remount everything after the conversion and will study the material you have sent. Thanks much for the input.

Mike
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Hack'n
Posted 3/3/2016 1:34 PM (#88102 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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An "out of toe" sidecar tire can wear evenly across the tread.
Check the tread pattern to see if there are signs of the wear coming from one side or the other. On some tires there is a center groove that will show some rounding of the edges on one side and a sharp edge (or signs of feathering) on the other side from dragging the tire sideways.
An indication of too much or not enough toe in.

Lonnie
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Sal
Posted 3/3/2016 6:41 PM (#88107 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Walked into a shop once and saw a sign that read "10% charge will be added for watchers/lookers"... ; )
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wvsporty
Posted 3/4/2016 2:12 PM (#88119 - in reply to #88085)
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I did my own 12" wheel and tire conversion , turned out pretty good. I bet Lonnie's kit is probably a bit truer in the alignment catagory.
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MrMike
Posted 3/4/2016 11:24 PM (#88122 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: RE: Trailer Tire Conversion



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It's done. Went in yesterday and had lunch with the crew at the shop, then they jumped on the conversion. They being the owner/manager and his one mechanic, Chris. The boss had to keep going up front as customers came in so the job was basically done by Chris. I had a fear it would be a real fight, but not so. The hardest part was compressing the shock to get it back in place. The whole job was done in less than 45 minutes. By then, it was pouring rain so I did not go for a test ride. Went back today and rode it home, about 20 miles. She's running pretty good. There is a slight pull to the right so we'll likely have to realign the car. Wanted to do that anyway as Lonnie suggested, it might have been "out of toe" all along.

The conversion kit is nice. A lot more solid than the parts we took off and easy to fit. Looks a little odd with the small diameter rim. A lot if space between the top of the tire and the fender. Don't see any way to lower the fender (?). Any suggestions here?

Mike in MS

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Sal
Posted 3/5/2016 5:12 AM (#88123 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Can a bigger wheel/tire with same lug pattern be fitted?
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Hack'n
Posted 3/5/2016 2:03 PM (#88126 - in reply to #88123)
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There are some aftermarket alloy wheels that look good. Wheel offset is important to clear the frame and fender.
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maquette
Posted 4/10/2016 3:41 PM (#88627 - in reply to #88085)
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I have one of Lonnie's conversion wheels also and at 8000 miles the tire still looks almost new. It may look a little off because of the size, but I'm really not concerned about that at all.

Tom
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MrMike
Posted 4/13/2016 1:21 PM (#88670 - in reply to #88085)
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Tom

I agree. For what I'm saving in time and expense, that wheel is looking better all the time. It does handle nicely also.

Mike
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Hack'n
Posted 4/13/2016 2:05 PM (#88671 - in reply to #88085)
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I have two of the conversions in stock.

Lonnie
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Bob Herman
Posted 4/24/2016 8:28 AM (#88805 - in reply to #88671)
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Lonnie, what all does this conversion entail? I'm assuming a beefier axle stub, so a larger hole must be bored in the swingarm and the axle is pressed in?
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Hack'n
Posted 4/24/2016 2:36 PM (#88807 - in reply to #88805)
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No,
I use a proprietary heavy duty swing-arm in my conversion. The OEM swing-arm is too flexible and the shock positioning doesn't allow for adequate leverage to support the heavier motorcycles.

Lonnie
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claude #3563
Posted 5/1/2016 6:09 AM (#88904 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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We have done a few of Lonnie's type of conversions and they do well. One of them we put a fender skirt on the stock steel fender and it looked pretty cool. Newer Velorexes have glass fenders and some of the ones made when the steel fenders went out had plastic fenders. Have also converted some of the velorex chairs to 15" auto rims but that is more involved etc etc
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Bob Herman
Posted 5/1/2016 6:18 AM (#88905 - in reply to #88807)
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Lonnie, can you give me a ballpark figure on the conversion (parts only, owner installed)?
Thanks,
Bob
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Hack'n
Posted 5/1/2016 1:05 PM (#88908 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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$300. Check: payable to Lonnie Cook, or $310. PayPal. US shipping included.

I have 2 kits in stock at this time.

Lonnie Cook
10050 Idlewood St.
Boise, ID 83709

PayPal acc't. is: nwsidecar@aol.com

Edited by Hack'n 5/1/2016 1:09 PM
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Bob Herman
Posted 5/2/2016 7:53 AM (#88926 - in reply to #88908)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion


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Lonnie, do you have a photo of the conversion parts? What all is included? Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere; I'm new to sidecars and this forum.
Bob
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Hack'n
Posted 5/2/2016 12:11 PM (#88936 - in reply to #88085)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion



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Here's how it looks with different wheel choices.



(Velorex HD Option 562 & 700S.jpg)



(Velorex H-D Suspension option 1.JPG)



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Attachments Velorex H-D Suspension option 1.JPG (317KB - 8 downloads)
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Bob Herman
Posted 5/2/2016 2:10 PM (#88940 - in reply to #88936)
Subject: Re: Trailer Tire Conversion


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Thanks, Lonnie. If I understand it, the conversion kit includes heavier-duty swingarm, 1" (?) axle, and shock.
Does it also include the wheel and tire?
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Hack'n
Posted 5/2/2016 5:17 PM (#88942 - in reply to #88940)
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Conversion consists of redesigned heavy duty swingarm with 1" axle, high speed marine hub with Timken bearings and releveraged shock mounting.
We used to include the mounted wheel for $40. more, but now wheel/tire shipping almost costs as much as a wheel/tire combo does.

Lonnie
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Bob Herman
Posted 5/2/2016 7:05 PM (#88945 - in reply to #88085)
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Yeah, I can understand that. I can't tell from the photos what size wheels those are. Will a standard 13" 5-bolt trailer wheel fit in there inside the fender?
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Hack'n
Posted 5/3/2016 10:39 AM (#88954 - in reply to #88945)
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I use 4" on 4 hubs now since most preferred them and the 5 lugs were overkill. A standard trailer wheel fits as shown in the pix. That's what we used to ship with the conversion. Some preferred their choice of wheel and could get it locally.
Like 12" wheels, 13" wheel/tire combos come in many diameters and widths and the offsets vary between mfg'rs.

Lonnie
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