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sluga
Posted 4/30/2016 2:00 PM (#88893)
Subject: added weight


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Hey Folks, I've been riding for years but I'm new to this game. Got myself a 1995 Road King with matching sidecar with only 2,500 original miles on it so basically I got a new 21 year old rig. Well it sure is a different animal! I'm very apprehensive with my right hand turns to the point where i feel like I'm going ridiculously slow. I can't be the only person with this problem.What's the best way to add weight to the car and compensate for this? Sand bags take up too much room someone said you can get metal plates. I don't have passengers very often so I need something. a little advice would be welcomed. (or a lot )
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CCjon
Posted 4/30/2016 5:21 PM (#88895 - in reply to #88893)
Subject: Re: added weight



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Personally use two sand bags wrapped in plastic or a ten gallon water jug when riding without a monkey. With monkey, remove the extra ballast as not needed.

Also as you gain more experience driving hacks the ballast will be used less and less. But when first learning to handle the rig, ballast is essential. Then practice often in vacant parking lots. Schools on weekends and churches during the week make great practice sites.

Welcome to the off-centered three wheel community.



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tinboatcapt
Posted 4/30/2016 6:10 PM (#88896 - in reply to #88893)
Subject: Re: added weight



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I have a military style ammunition can with lead in it. It weights in at 100#'s. The canister is the larger size about 7X&X6". I salvaged the lead from the backstops at the local gun club. They were happy to be rid of it. I have it strapped down to the floor using the seat mounting hardware and a ratchet strap. It fits tight against the seat and laying down on its sideon the floor, it's not in the way of the passenger.
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Hack'n
Posted 4/30/2016 7:30 PM (#88899 - in reply to #88893)
Subject: RE: added weight



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Place your ballast behind the seat and toward the sidecar wheel . With a fiberglass body you don't want hard or sharp edged ballast.
I used three bags (25#) of lead shot with my last few heavy Harley rigs.
I used to put wet spent sandblast abrasive in plastic milk jugs in customers rigs for their maiden voyage back home. They weighed about 20# each and no cost involved.

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claude #3563
Posted 5/1/2016 4:57 AM (#88900 - in reply to #88893)
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Good points on ballast. It is good to find a safe spot to practice. When you practice take out the ballast as it will allow you to learn more quicker at slower speeds.
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davet
Posted 5/1/2016 7:14 AM (#88906 - in reply to #88893)
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Harley made an accessory weight which mounted on top of the right leaf spring. The part number is 88177-95. Google that number and you may be able to find one. I got mine from Tom's NOS parts in Ohio. It helped me feel more secure in right turns but it does make the ride a little rougher. It is not something you would want to put on and take off.

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stancotreau
Posted 5/1/2016 6:36 PM (#88913 - in reply to #88893)
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I have been giving this ballast some thought. I have a light car, velorex and when I ride alone I put in 65# of ballast. Lately I have been wanting to ride it without the ballast to see how it feels.

Some say use it, some say learn to ride without ballast. I'm new to the sidecar game and a bit confused ..... will it be to my benefit to learn to run around without ballast???
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RichardMc4
Posted 5/1/2016 7:26 PM (#88914 - in reply to #88893)
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When I started this learning thing, 11 years and still learning. I used a 5 GAL water jug that when empty folded up. This was 40 # and with the junk in the back another 40 or 50 #. The nice thing about the water jug was no mess and if I was out and pick up someone or something I just dumped it. One day I saw I had not re-field it and could not remember when I had. So no more.
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CCjon
Posted 5/1/2016 7:27 PM (#88915 - in reply to #88893)
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Stan, I believe the consensus is to learn with ballast in the sidecar until you have enough experience to feel the car wheel unligthen ( or unweighting) slightly and how to control it. Every rig is different in when it will start to lift, until you know at what point that is with your rig, carry ballast. Flying the chair will happen too frequently and suddenly if riding without ballast. The lighter the chair (i.e. Velorex) the easier it is to fly.

That said, you will want to practice "flying the chair" as part of your learning, but in a controlled environment until you know how to control the rig for when the chair flies accidentally..

You are an MSF instructor, are there STEP classes in your area? Well worth the time and money at take this class.
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stancotreau
Posted 5/1/2016 7:56 PM (#88917 - in reply to #88893)
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I am scheduled for a step class next month, thanks for the reply
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trikebldr
Posted 5/2/2016 1:58 AM (#88924 - in reply to #88893)
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Learning to ride with a light car is fine, but no matter how much experience and training you have, there will be those moments when a fast maneuver to the right will be needed, and the more ballast you are carrying, the better (faster) you can maneuver the rig. It's not so much an issue of how well you can handle the rig when the car lifts as it is just simply having MORE right turn control in a crisis BEFORE it lifts. Once it's lifted, you can't turn any harder, so with more ballast you can turn harder BEFORE it lifts.
I ride with a 114lb steel slug in mine all the time when I don't have a monkey, but my bike is extremely heavy (960lbs).

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sluga
Posted 5/2/2016 9:13 AM (#88930 - in reply to #88893)
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Thanks for all the great advice, i like the weight on the leaf spring,bags of led shot should work great also .I'm in NH and don't know of any classes in this area.It would be great to find one . Thanks again to all
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stancotreau
Posted 5/2/2016 9:40 AM (#88931 - in reply to #88893)
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I don't know where in NH you are, but I'm in Billerica MA. Training Wheels runs step classes.

www.trainingwheelsonline.com

I am trying to get them to schedule one in their Bedford location, not too far from the NH border. If you are interested call their office and ask to take a step class in Bedford. I think they are very close to having enough people to schedule it.
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rodder
Posted 5/2/2016 7:00 PM (#88944 - in reply to #88893)
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when i was still driving older RWD cars into the 90's snow tyres + weight were needed in Pa winters. i picked up several bags of cheap steel shot in 25 lb bags that take little room. they come in hand making adjustments when rider weight is called for. glad i kept them after retiring, no job so snow is no biggie, just put another shovel of coal on the fire + relax!!!
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NCGLSidecarist
Posted 5/5/2016 7:27 PM (#89005 - in reply to #88944)
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Just to add my 2 cents. Got the idea from "Foodog" on this forum I use sand put into smaller plastic bags that I put into some inexpensive tool bags. each ways about 25 lbs. Easy to transport and no mess.
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Bob Hunt
Posted 5/8/2016 3:53 PM (#89029 - in reply to #88893)
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I've always used 25 pound bags of buckshot, you can get them at your local gun supply store.
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OldSchool_IsCool
Posted 5/8/2016 6:08 PM (#89033 - in reply to #88893)
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Rotometals.com has lead in Verious forms. I'm thinking either the recovered led ingot or the unwashed lead shot in ammo cans. The 50# of sand in a duffle bag I'm using now seems a bit bulky.

http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/leadshotreclaimaird.htm


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sluga
Posted 5/10/2016 12:09 PM (#89067 - in reply to #88906)
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hi, Dave do you know how much that part weighs ?
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davet
Posted 5/10/2016 1:34 PM (#89071 - in reply to #88893)
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The Harley accessory weight is around 40 pounds. Dimensions are approximately 12"x4"x3".
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sluga
Posted 5/10/2016 2:19 PM (#89075 - in reply to #89071)
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Thanks!!
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floridaboy
Posted 5/10/2016 2:42 PM (#89077 - in reply to #88893)
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I am new to the sidecar world. I had Johnny Sweet build and install his Classic sidecar on my Road Star. He added a 62lb. steel plate in the frame to help me with driving the rig. I think it was good for me because i don't have to worry if i have a rider or not. No problems with right turns. The whole sidecar weighs 225 lbs.
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trikebldr
Posted 5/11/2016 1:55 AM (#89088 - in reply to #88893)
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This is the 114lb steel weight that I keep in my hack unless have a passenger. It works great to keep my very heavy rig upright in right hand turns.



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Hack'n
Posted 5/11/2016 1:04 PM (#89091 - in reply to #88893)
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Added weight ballast should be placed as far back as possible and to the outboard side for the best leverage. This will keep the sidecar from dipping it's nose into the road during a hard stop, especially during a downhill or left turn (Rt. side mount S/C).
Soft ballast or hard ballast that is well secured works best to avoid damage to the sidecar body in case it shifts around.

Lonnie
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trikebldr
Posted 5/11/2016 6:00 PM (#89101 - in reply to #89091)
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Lonnie, if you knew the layout of the Terraplane's rear trunk access (fairly typical, actually!), and it's corrugated floorboard, you would know why that weight is where it is. I certainly can't lift 114lbs at arms length to set it in the trunk, could you? And, it is as far toward the wheel as possible except for external mounting!
I am looking into designing a quick-release plate to fit under the car at the rear, but it's not on top of my priority list. This method has worked fine for a long time now. Simple, easy to load/unload and secure (except in a crash!).
114lbs works quite well with my Voyager 1300 bike, but I keep seeing reports of big Harley's running just 40-60lbs of ballast inside the car. Does that little weight really hold the car down in right handers? I tried two of my 25lb leather shot bags, but they just didn't do the job against my 960lb bike. This 114lb steel slug works quite well.
For those who want to custom make their own weights and actually be able to mold it into whatever shape they need, a good source of lead is a truck stop where they do lots of tire repairs. They strip off the weights and about half of them end up not usable again.
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J.R.
Posted 5/12/2016 11:58 AM (#89107 - in reply to #89101)
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We use round bar-bell weights as needed in Avanell's Burgman/Cal. commuter rig. Cheap at re-sale type shops.
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