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Al Olme
Posted 8/5/2016 11:35 AM (#90225)
Subject: The responsibility of the reader


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Information about sidecars is tough to find. One of the great things about this site is the depth and scope of technical information that is available here. One of the terrible things about this site is fact that we don’t vet the technical information that is available here. What did he say?

We are a very open environment and we let “almost” anyone post here so long as the subject is sidecars [even in some tangential way]. Because of our specialized subject matter, lots of folks come here to ask questions and that’s a huge part of this site’s reason for being. Because of our open nature, anyone can reply to these questions…even if they don’t know what they are talking about.

It is the responsibility of the reader to sort the wheat for the chaff as it were. PLEASE, read with at least a slightly skeptical attitude. If you see six posters that basically agree on a subject and one that is off in the ozone, factor that in when considering who to believe. If you want to do a little more checking, you can click on the poster’s name [handle here] and see how long he’s been on the site and maybe look up some of his old posts. If you see a poster who is giving you advice and then find that he has been on the site for a month and when he first came on he was asking the same questions that you are asking or if he openly admits that he paid no attention to the advice of others… well, you get the idea. DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO IDIOTS!

You have a responsibility to critically evaluate all the information that you read here and make your own decisions, good or bad.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 8/6/2016 8:43 AM (#90233 - in reply to #90225)
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Thanks Al. The same applies to most anything on the internet. "Never believe everything you read on the internet." -Abe Lincoln
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Bob Hunt
Posted 8/14/2016 12:29 PM (#90331 - in reply to #90225)
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Thanks for the lesson on responsibility Al, a much needed lesson! It's hard to believe the number of people that believe it's all true because they see it in print.
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DeanH
Posted 8/21/2016 6:59 PM (#90424 - in reply to #90225)
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What Al said.
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Rogue
Posted 12/29/2016 10:57 PM (#91879 - in reply to #90225)
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I'm not so sure about this ...

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Al Olme
Posted 12/30/2016 12:04 PM (#91882 - in reply to #91879)
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Steven,

What are you unsure about? You've been here for a couple of weeks and you believe that everything you read in the Internet is true? We feel that folks here make a best effort to provide good information but we don't censor or fact check unless things get out of hand. That means that you could read differing opinions on a topic and in some cases one or more of them could be dead wrong. The reader makes the final decision on what or who they want to believe.

There's a good example of such a thread going on right now. An experienced motorcyclist is buying his first rig. He is considering driving it home, a trip of about 1,000 miles. He asked if it was a reasonable idea or a terrible one. He got opinions on both sides but in the end, he has to weigh the input and make his own decision and the reputations of those who responded comes into play. One of his responses came from a respected figure in the business and another came from a guy who did the same sort of trip as a newbie. Which of those opinions is more valuable? I made a similar trip on a new rig a week after I got it. In the end, I survived but I didn't have much fun. Would I do it again? I'm not really sure.

There is also a common sense aspect in making the decision but in the end the reader is responsible for his own actions.

If you'd like to dig into the ideas here, your input or questions are welcomed.
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Rogue
Posted 12/30/2016 12:27 PM (#91883 - in reply to #90225)
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I was being ironical. It was a joke.

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Edited by Rogue 12/30/2016 12:28 PM
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Al Olme
Posted 12/30/2016 3:55 PM (#91888 - in reply to #91883)
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Rogue - 12/30/2016 11:27 AM

I was being ironical. It was a joke.

Rogue.


'Hard to tell and with your short history, I wasn't certain. Emoticons are available on this site.
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Rogue
Posted 12/30/2016 4:32 PM (#91889 - in reply to #90225)
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Some folks enjoy dry humor not watered down (see what I did there?) by emoticons. I gather this is not the case here. As you well noted, I am new here and learning. In the future I will try to remember to be more obvious.
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Al Olme
Posted 12/30/2016 4:37 PM (#91890 - in reply to #91889)
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R.

You can use the emoticons or not, your choice but be prepared to be misunderstood... it's a big part of asynchronous communications.
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Rogue
Posted 12/30/2016 4:40 PM (#91891 - in reply to #90225)
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Noted. Happy New Year!

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Bruce_in_pa18015
Posted 1/3/2017 2:31 PM (#91925 - in reply to #90225)
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You're right Al, trying to capture all the knowledge that is shared is a monumental task, I know, I tried it back in the early 2000's with the posts at the Sidecar Talk (SCT) website. At that time the site was very active and receiving a couple hundred posts a day. I read through thousands of posts to capture information on 45 different subjects (GROUPS). Some of the subjects had to be broken down into sub-sections to make finding information easier. As new Sidecarists come into the world of sidecars, many of the same questions are asked over and over. The knowledge Base was an attempt to provide a starting point to answer these questions, before they were repeated again, and again. Although this information is 16 years old, most of it probably still applies, what may change it somewhat is the advancement in technology that is blowing past us at an alarming rate. Those getting into sidecars can still find this information at the SCT website in the Files Section under the title "Sidecar Talk 2 Knowledge Base, Revision 2-21-03. Below is a copy of the index listing the subjects covered. Bruce.

THE INFORMATION IN THIS FOLDER WAS BEING COMPILED FOR RELEASE INTO THE SIDECAR TALK 2 CLUB BRIEFCASE. WITH THE SWITCH FROM YAHOO CLUBS TO YAHOO GROUPS, THIS INFORMATION IS BEING RELEASED INTO THE FILES SECTION OF SIDECAR TALK AS A MATTER OF RECORD.

The Sidecar Talk 2 Knowledge Base, is a library of files and articles on subjects that have come up for discussion through the Sidecar Talk 2 Posts. As with any library of information, an index is needed so the information can easily be filed and retrieved. Below is listed the index of subjects that has been established at this time. When one is looking for information, they should always start with the index to narrow down the field of search.

For consistency, the titles in the Knowledge Base Index will also be the File Folder titles. To save space in the File Folder titles, the words Group and Section will be eliminated but implied. For example, File Folder Group 01 – Section 01 – SCT2 Links, will be listed as File Folder 01 – 01 - SCT2 Links.

Briefcase Index:

Group 00 – Section 00 – Knowledge Base Index & Instructions
Group 01 – Section 01 – SCT2 Links
Group 02 – Section 01 – Pucker Stories
Group 03 – Section 01 – Owning Your First Sidecar
Group 04 – Section 01 – Riding Gear, Shoes, Boots, Raingear, Helmets, Etc.
Group 05 – Section 01 – Motorcycle Ergonomics
Group 06 – Section 01 – Summer / Winter Riding Stories
Group 07 – Section 01 – Mounting Flags
Group 08 – Section 01 – Shipping Motorcycles, Sidecars, Parts
Group 09 – Section 01 – Trailer Towing & Hitch Mounting
Group 10 – Section 01 – Directory (Traveler’s List)
Group 11 – Section 01 – Frame & Sub-Frame – General
Group 11 – Section 02 – Frame – Motorcycle
Group 11 – Section 03 – Sub-Frame – Motorcycle
Group 11 – Section 04 – Frame – Sidecar
Group 12 – Section 01 – Suspension & Sway Bars – General
Group 12 – Section 02 – Suspension, Motorcycle Front – Telescopic
Group 12 – Section 03 – Suspension, Motorcycle Front – Leading Link
Group 12 – Section 04 – Suspension, Motorcycle Front – Center Hub
Group 12 – Section 05 – Suspension, Motorcycle Rear
Group 12 – Section 06 – Suspension, Sidecar
Group 12 – Section 07 – Sway Bars, Sidecar
Group 13 – Section 01 – Axle, Hub & Brake – General
Group 13 – Section 02 – Front Axle, Hub & Brake – Motorcycle
Group 13 – Section 03 – Rear Axle, Hub & Brake – Motorcycle
Group 13 – Section 04 – Axle, Hub & Brake – Sidecar
Group 14 – Section 01 – Wheels & Tires – General
Group 14 – Section 02 – Front Wheels & Tires – Motorcycle
Group 14 – Section 03 – Automotive Front Wheels & Tires – Motorcycle
Group 14 – Section 04 – Rear Wheels & Tires – Motorcycle
Group 14 – Section 05 – Automotive Rear Wheels & Tires – Motorcycle
Group 14 – Section 06 – Wheels & Tires – Sidecar
Group 14 – Section 07 – Automotive Wheels & Tires – Sidecar
Group 15 – Section 01 – Driveshafts, Chains & Sprockets – General
Group 15 – Section 02 – Driveshafts – Motorcycle
Group 15 – Section 03 – Driveshafts & System For Sidecar Wheel
Group 16 – Section 01 – Clutch, Master Cylinder, Brake Proportioning Valve,
ABS & Controls – General
Group 16 – Section 02 – Clutch & Control – Motorcycle
Group 16 – Section 03 – Master Cylinder & Control – Motorcycle
Group 16 – Section 04 - Master Cylinder & Control – Sidecar
Group 16 – Section 05 – Brake Proportioning Valve – Sidecar
Group 16 – Section 06 – ABS – Motorcycle
Group 17 – Section 01 – Steering – General
Group 17 – Section 02 – Steering, Telescopic – Motorcycle
Group 17 – Section 03 – Steering, Leading Link – Motorcycle
Group 17 – Section 04 – Steering, Center Hub – Motorcycle
Group 17 – Section 05 – Steering – Sidecar
Group 17 – Section 06 – Steering Wobble & Dampener
Group 18 – Section 01 – Exhaust – General
Group 19 – Section 01 – Wiring – General
Group 20 – Section 01 – Lights – General
Group 20 – Section 02 – Lights – Motorcycle Front
Group 20 – Section 03 – Lights – Motorcycle Rear
Group 20 – Section 04 – Lights – Sidecar
Group 21 – Section 01 – Starter, Battery, Charging System – General
Group 21 – Section 02 – Starter
Group 21 – Section 03 – Battery – Motorcycle Mounted
Group 21 – Section 04 – Battery – Sidecar Mounted
Group 21 – Section 05 – Charging System – Motorcycle Mounted
Group 21 – Section 06 – Charging System – Sidecar Mounted
Group 22 – Section 01 – Engine & Related Systems – General
Group 23 – Section 01 – Transmission – General
Group 24 – Section 01 – Speedometer, Tachometer, Instrument Panel & Gauges
- General
Group 25 – Section 01 – Fuel System – General
Group 25 – Section 02 – Fuel System – Motorcycle Mounted
Group 25 – Section 03 – Fuel System – Sidecar Mounted
Group 26 – Section 01 – Cooling, Heating & Air Conditioning System – General
Group 26 – Section 02 – Cooling & Heating System – Motorcycle
Group 26 – Section 03 – Cooling & Heating System – Sidecar
Group 26 – Section 04 – Air Conditioning System – Sidecar
Group 27 – Section 01 – Fenders, Bodywork, Side Covers, Seat, Windshield,
Tops & Side Curtains, Fender Skirts – General
Group 27 – Section 02 – Fenders, Front & Rear – Motorcycle
Group 27 – Section 03 – Fenders – Sidecar
Group 27 – Section 04 – Fender Skirts - Sidecar
Group 27 – Section 05 – Bodywork & Side Covers – Motorcycle
Group 27 – Section 06 – Sidecar Body Construction & Plans
Group 27 – Section 07 – Seats – Motorcycle
Group 27 – Section 08 – Seats – Sidecar
Group 27 – Section 09 – Windshield – Motorcycle
Group 27 – Section 10 – Windshield – Sidecar
Group 27 – Section 11 – Top, Side Curtain, Tonneau Cover – Sidecar
Group 28 – Section 01 – Throttle & Controls – General
Group 29 – Section 01 – Sidecar ers, Steps & Tire Carriers – General
Group 30 – Section 01 – Tools, Marker Plates, Decals, Nameplates – General
Group 31 – Section 01 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – General
Group 31 – Section 02 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Lead
Group 31 – Section 03 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Tow In
Group 31 – Section 04 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Lean Out
Group 31 – Section 05 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Track
Group 31 – Section 06 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Ballast
Group 31 – Section 07 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Rigid
Group 31 – Section 08 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Flexit & Leaners
Group 31 – Section 09 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Electric Assist
Group 31 – Section 10 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Heim Joints
Group 31 – Section 11 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – BMW - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 12 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Buell – Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 12A – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Chang Jiang
- Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 12B – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Dnepr - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 13 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Ducati - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 14 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – HD - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 15 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Honda - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 16 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Kawasaki
- Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 17 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Moto Guzzi
- Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 18 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Suzuki - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 19 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Triumph - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 20 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Ural - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 21 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Yamaha - Motorcycle
Group 31 – Section 22 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Armec - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 23 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Bingham Side Strider
- Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 24 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – California - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 25 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Champion – Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 25A – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Chang Jiang
- Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 26 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Dnepr - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 27 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – EML - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 28 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – EZS - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 29 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Gazelle - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 30 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Good One - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 31 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Hannigan - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 32 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Hedingham - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 33 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – HD - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 34 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – HitchHiker - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 35 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Jawa - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 36 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Jupiter - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 37 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Liberty - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 38 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – L & W Body - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 39 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Motorvation - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 40 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Pagasus - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 41 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Side Bike - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 42 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Side Effects - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 43 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Sputnik - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 44 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Steib - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 45 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Texas - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 46 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Ural - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 47 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Terraplane - Sidecar
Group 31 – Section 48 – Sidecar to Motorcycle Mounting – Watsonian – Sidecar
Group 32 – Section 01 – Paint & Finish – General
Group 33 – Section 01 – Sidecar Brand Comments
Group 34 – Section 01 – Intercom, CB, Radio, TV, VCR, Radar Det., GPS, Etc.
Group 35 – Section 01 – Seatbelts for sidecars
Group 36 – Section 01 – Motorcycle / Sidecars Issues For Physically Challenged
Group 37 – Section 01 – Ballast
Group 38 – Section 01 – Luggage, Racks, Saddle Bags, Stowage, Etc.
Group 39 – Section 01 – Pet Passengers
Group 40 – Section 01 – Embarrassing Bloopers
Group 41 – Section 01 – Horns
Group 42 – Section 01 – Passengers & Children
Group 43 – Section 01 – Polls & Surveys
Group 44 – Section 01 – Bicycles with Sidecars
Group 45 – Section 01 – Camping Tips
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Al Olme
Posted 1/3/2017 5:11 PM (#91927 - in reply to #91925)
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Bruce, you always amaze me. Thanks for all the hard work.

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Bruce_in_pa18015
Posted 1/4/2017 9:24 PM (#91933 - in reply to #90225)
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ncdave,

Here is the link to the Internet Sidecar Owners Klub. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sct/info . Click on 'Files' towards the top of the screen, scroll down to 'Sidecar Talk 2 Knowledge Base' and click on it.

Here is the link to the Knowledge Base. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sct/files/Sidecar%20Talk%202%20K... . You may have to join this club to view the files.

Bruce.
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omgyouresexy
Posted 6/17/2017 12:33 PM (#93884 - in reply to #90225)
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Bruce, I signed up for the group because I'd like to read up more on your info, but I do find the downloading of individual files cumbersome. Is there a way to download a whole folder and browse the files locally on my computer? I've not really used Yahoo Groups before. Thank you again for all your efforts to put this together.
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Bruce_in_pa18015
Posted 7/17/2017 9:34 AM (#94170 - in reply to #90225)
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Sorry for not responding sooner, I don't get to check the posts as often as I use to.

You are not the first one to make this request, it was discussed way back in 2003. I have the Knowledge Base stored in five Folders, 1.36MB, 1.6MB, 1.29MB, 2.32MB, and 317KB for a total of 6.9MB. So far I have not been able, and I don't even know if it is possible to copy and send by email, a Folder. Back in 2003, there were many members that used a telephone dial up service, and even if I could email a folder, it would be too large to be practical to email to them. We may not have as many members using the phone dial up service today, but I'm sure there are some and we still need to consider their needs.

Back in 2003 it was suggested to load the Knowledge Base on a CD and offer it to the members for a nominal fee. For all the effort and cost it would take to create and mail CD's, how many would be willing to pay for something they can already get for free?

Unless someone can show me how to attach a Folder to an email, I am only able to attach and send each individual File, and that is what can already be done from the Website.

Bruce
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dave
Posted 7/18/2017 7:32 AM (#94184 - in reply to #90225)
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Bruce, I might be able to help out here. Well really my son Gregory can. We will both be at the national next week, and they have internet. If your coming stop by cabin #2.
Your friend Dave
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MIKELEEW
Posted 7/18/2017 9:40 AM (#94189 - in reply to #90225)
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As one of the newest members and still without a rig, I love the fact that you're all here providing valuable information that will help ensure I do my best while learning to ride with a sidecar. It may all even save my life and my wife's. I've been riding two wheels (with an engine - LoL) since I was 7. That is 48 years but I know just from reading here and other sites that I'm in for a learning curve. I've always been a feet first kind of guy and I've wanted a rig for many years so I just decided to get it done. I have the mule, 2017 Triumph Bobber, and the hack is being built by Watsonian-Squire. I'm hoping to have it here in 6 weeks. Please keep it all coming and I'll be sure to search before asking and take all that I find with a grain of salt. BtW, anyone near New Orleans? I sure would like to ride with an experienced rig driver. P.s. - I'm keeping my Roadglide.
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