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2006 Ural Troyka vs. 2011 Ural T - opinions?
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redsimp
Posted 4/20/2017 12:33 PM (#93179)
Subject: 2006 Ural Troyka vs. 2011 Ural T - opinions?


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I am considering 2 bikes as my first sidecar rig. Both bikes being sold from a dealership.

#1 - 2006 Ural Troyka - is at a local dealer, has 2700 km on it, comes w/ windshield on sidecar & bike, has spare tire and heavy rack, sidecar & bike covers, blue & white. Asking is $6000.

#2 - 2011 T - at a dealer 1000 miles away, has 19000 km on it, no spare, no rack, no covers. Has a fully rebuilt front end (got backed into) bike is flat black. Asking is $5000. To add a windshield on the car and bike would run about $500 +/-. Plus I have to drive there, rent a trailer, drive it back. That's a couple hundred there.

I am aware of Urals reputation for required tinkering, but I'm having a hard time finding another complete rig in my price range. I've been looking since last year. I do NOT want to shell out a lot for a bike I may scratch (or worse) as I learn HOW to drive a sidecar rig. In spite of their issues, Urals seem to have a pretty loyal following and SEEM to hold their value & sell pretty quickly.

So - any thoughts? Avoid Ural altogether? Go local? Does 1 have more issues than the other? What's the top speed on either of theses? (I've heard about 65mph) Experienced, educated, constructive input welcome, please.

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ncdave
Posted 4/20/2017 3:46 PM (#93180 - in reply to #93179)
Subject: Re: 2006 Ural Troyka vs. 2011 Ural T - opinions?


I'd go with the newer one and enjoy the adventure of driving it home. Generally these bikes have had improvements as time has gone on. I can't speak to exact changes from 06 to 11. I'd suggest posting on Soviet Steeds. those guys live and breathe urals.
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AJ1200
Posted 4/20/2017 4:06 PM (#93181 - in reply to #93179)
Subject: Re: 2006 Ural Troyka vs. 2011 Ural T - opinions?



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another option, there are a couple nice rigs turn key ready in the price range you have posted. not sure of your location so can't speak for how far they are from you
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redsimp
Posted 4/20/2017 4:30 PM (#93182 - in reply to #93180)
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I don't know about the wisdom of driving it 1000 miles having never driven a hack 1 mile. I'm a little crazy, not sure I'm that crazy. LOL Besides - I'd have to get there somehow. No cheaper to fly 1 way than to drive. Trailering the bike seems a little safer. Maybe I'll ride my next one home, eh?

I took the advice on posting on Soviet Steeds, I'll see what they say. Just reading there a bit, they seem to recommend the 2005 and newer as being more reliable. The newer bike seems to have been ridden more, but the other one was kept garaged after the original owner died a few years back. Or so I'm told.
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Big Tom
Posted 4/20/2017 5:02 PM (#93183 - in reply to #93182)
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redsimp - 4/20/2017 1:30 PM

I don't know about the wisdom of driving it 1000 miles having never driven a hack 1 mile. I'm a little crazy, not sure I'm that crazy. LOL Besides - I'd have to get there somehow. No cheaper to fly 1 way than to drive. Trailering the bike seems a little safer. Maybe I'll ride my next one home, eh?


Fellow who just bought my GW/Escort rig never drove a SC rig and flew to PHX and drove it 2000 miles home to Wisconsin. When I bought it I paid the previous owner to drive it 150 miles to my house... To each their own...
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redsimp
Posted 4/20/2017 5:51 PM (#93184 - in reply to #93183)
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Big Tom - 4/20/2017 5:02 PM

To each their own...

Indeed.
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VLAD
Posted 4/20/2017 6:13 PM (#93185 - in reply to #93179)
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If you like tinkering Ural will be perfect. If you like to ride more then tinkering may be good idea to look for other bike. Also good idea to mark your location. It is several option near Denver in your price range.
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redsimp
Posted 4/20/2017 6:16 PM (#93186 - in reply to #93179)
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Yes, I've heard that about the Urals, too. One of the reasons I'm slow to pull the trigger. Thanks - hadn't thought of putting in MY location. I'm in central WI, near Oshkosh. I've been checking the "rigs for sale" section, but haven't found anything I liked there.
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Al Olme
Posted 4/20/2017 6:44 PM (#93187 - in reply to #93186)
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I hope you find your ideal rig before this but, there is a very laid back sidecar rally in central WI in July. The SKUNK's are reviving the 10th First Annual, Sidecar Rally, Tornado Watch and Bear Scare-a-thon. It's going to be held July 14-16 at the Pioneer Village Museum in [well, actually near] Cameron, WI. Here's the flyer...



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redsimp
Posted 4/20/2017 9:02 PM (#93190 - in reply to #93179)
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Ya dats up nort awrighty, eh? :-D That would be a few hours ride, but a nice ride for sure. I'll put it on my calendar! I don't know if I'll have a rig by then, but it would be fun to see some. Anybody ever sell their rigs there?
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Al Olme
Posted 4/20/2017 11:03 PM (#93191 - in reply to #93190)
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redsimp - 4/20/2017 8:02 PM

Ya dats up nort awrighty, eh? :-D That would be a few hours ride, but a nice ride for sure. I'll put it on my calendar! I don't know if I'll have a rig by then, but it would be fun to see some. Anybody ever sell their rigs there?


There have been rigs for sale but there's no guaranty. BUT... Scrambler Cycle, will be there and they are the best riggers in the area. I've had Kevin [he's Scrambler Cycle] build two complex rigs for me. He usually has something for sale.
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Al Olme
Posted 4/20/2017 11:08 PM (#93192 - in reply to #93191)
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Red,

There's a decent looking starter rig in our classifieds. Search for post #93134. I know it's a long way but the rig is cheap enough to make it worthwhile. This looks like the kind of rig you could get as a starter and resell for about the same money when you outgrow it.

Good luck.
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redsimp
Posted 4/21/2017 6:59 AM (#93197 - in reply to #93179)
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I checked out the classifieds again - some newer listings (or maybe I missed). I see the '83 that you mentioned - that is a good price & nice looking rig. I also saw an '86 GW in MN for $5500 (post #92972) which looks big, but very sweet. And closer. Am I better starting with a smaller, lighter rig like the GS650 or beefier set-up like the '86 wing?
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AJ1200
Posted 4/21/2017 9:32 AM (#93198 - in reply to #93179)
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the way I look at it is like this
you should look for a rig based on the size of bike you currently ride or that your comfortable on when riding on 2 wheels
if your used to a 1200 for example I wouldn't go down in size as you will very soon be unhappy with it's capabilities
if anything I would consider going up in size as you can control extra power by simply not using it till your comfortable with it
but only go up as much in size as you would have with 2 wheels
as far as traveling to buy and riding it back, I wouldn't advise it. I know many have done it and survived just fine, but there are just as many that crashed right away
riding a rig is a whole new experience, A great experience I'll say but you don't just jump on and take off and know what your doing

Good Luck with your search and I hope you find that perfect or at least a real good first rig
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redsimp
Posted 4/21/2017 10:01 AM (#93199 - in reply to #93198)
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AJ1200 - 4/21/2017 9:32 AM

the way I look at it is like this
you should look for a rig based on the size of bike you currently ride or that your comfortable on when riding on 2 wheels
if your used to a 1200 for example I wouldn't go down in size as you will very soon be unhappy with it's capabilities
if anything I would consider going up in size as you can control extra power by simply not using it till your comfortable with it
but only go up as much in size as you would have with 2 wheels
as far as traveling to buy and riding it back, I wouldn't advise it. I know many have done it and survived just fine, but there are just as many that crashed right away
riding a rig is a whole new experience, A great experience I'll say but you don't just jump on and take off and know what your doing

Good Luck with your search and I hope you find that perfect or at least a real good first rig


I currently ride a Yamaha RSV 1300. So the 1500 Wing would not be "too much" rig. Makes sense. I also assumed the 86 wing will not drop in value too much in a few years (assuming I don't crash it) when I might consider getting something newer. And I already decided I'm not gonna just hop on and head home - unless it's REALLY close to home. There's just too much to learn, and I don't want to be a danger to myself or others on the road. Trailer rental is cheap compared to hospital bills.
Again, thanks. You guys have been a lot of help.
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redsimp
Posted 4/23/2017 9:39 AM (#93215 - in reply to #93199)
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Well, I found a 2013 Ural T on the Soviet Steeds website and checked it out yesterday. And bought it. I still have to get it home ( I was on my Venture) - probably Tues. Then I need to learn how to drive it. Then I want to train to train the dog to ride in it. Wish me luck!
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WinginCamera
Posted 4/23/2017 5:18 PM (#93222 - in reply to #93179)
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Glad you found a rig you like. If your thinking about driving it back, first see if there is a sidecar school near you. If your state requires an threewheel endorsement taking a class might be enough to get the endorsement. When I decided to get back into sidecars it had been twenty plus years since I had ridden one and no endorsement was needed then. Now here in Washington state an endorsement is required, but if you take a course through an accredited school you can get the license. That's what I did before flying to Illinois to pick up my rig. Even though I had prior experience (20 years ago) I found the course very worthwhile. Most even supply the sidecar, if you don't already have one.
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redsimp
Posted 4/24/2017 6:53 AM (#93233 - in reply to #93222)
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WI doesn't require a separate # wheel endorsement - I think WA is the only state that extorts $$ from sidecar & trike owners. The class would be a good idea, and I'd take one in a heartbeat - but also not available near me - I've looked. I already rented a trailer to get it Tues.

This may not (or it may become) my "dream rig". But it seemed like the best place to start. And hey - you gotta start someplace, right?
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AJ1200
Posted 4/24/2017 8:30 AM (#93238 - in reply to #93179)
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congrats on your new rig, we will need pictures once you get it home or it didn't happen
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redsimp
Posted 4/24/2017 10:36 AM (#93240 - in reply to #93238)
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I have one taken at the dealership after he took my $$$, does that qualify?



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AJ1200
Posted 4/24/2017 10:41 AM (#93241 - in reply to #93179)
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Big Tom
Posted 4/24/2017 11:47 AM (#93242 - in reply to #93222)
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WinginCamera - 4/23/2017 2:18 PM

Glad you found a rig you like. If your thinking about driving it back, first see if there is a sidecar school near you. If your state requires an threewheel endorsement taking a class might be enough to get the endorsement. When I decided to get back into sidecars it had been twenty plus years since I had ridden one and no endorsement was needed then. Now here in Washington state an endorsement is required, but if you take a course through an accredited school you can get the license. That's what I did before flying to Illinois to pick up my rig. Even though I had prior experience (20 years ago) I found the course very worthwhile. Most even supply the sidecar, if you don't already have one.


Wow, first time I ever heard that a 3 wheel endorsement was required.. This is in addition to an MC endorsement?
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Al Olme
Posted 4/24/2017 6:30 PM (#93250 - in reply to #93242)
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Big Tom - 4/24/2017 10:47

Wow, first time I ever heard that a 3 wheel endorsement was required.. This is in addition to an MC endorsement?


Tom, Only a few states REQUIRE a three wheel endorsement. It is common for many states to issue a motorcycle endorsement that says "Three wheels only" if you took your endorsement test on a three wheeled vehicle. This is a big deal if your state doesn't do the three wheels only thing because dealers are loaning Can-Am Spyders to folks to get their licenses and then selling them two wheeled bikes. The result is that someone who couldn't pass the two wheel test passes with three wheels and is on the road and dangerous.

Is a three wheel license a good thing? I really don't think so. But, that's just my opinion... you'll hear others.

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redsimp
Posted 4/24/2017 6:36 PM (#93252 - in reply to #93242)
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Big Tom - 4/24/2017
Wow, first time I ever heard that a 3 wheel endorsement was required.. This is in addition to an MC endorsement?


My understanding is that they are SEPARATE, endorsement. You can get a 3 wheel endorsement and can ONLY ride 3 wheelers. If you get a motorcycle endorsement and you can ONLY ride 2 wheel motorcycles. You need BOTH endorsements to ride both.

I wish the training was more widely available. Nothing here in WI or IL. My daughter lives in WA, but by the time I ride 2000 miles to take the class, I probably won't need the class. LOL
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Posted 4/24/2017 7:07 PM (#93254 - in reply to #93179)
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In NC, with the increased popularity of 3 wheeled vehicles, the state introduced a separate endorsement for trikes, Spiders, and Slingshots. If you hold a standard Motorcycle Endorsement, you are able to operate any/all. But holders of the 3 Wheel Endorsement cannot operate two wheelers.
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