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shabelj
Posted 5/2/2017 7:35 PM (#93370)
Subject: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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I searched the threads expecting to find much information on this subject, but didn't find any. About to buy rear tire for recently purchase 95 Wing/w Hannigan 2+2. I know sidecar use eats rear tires like candy. Is there any advantage to paying the big $$ for the Tires available with all the technology for better cornering and sidewall technology, when putting on a sidecar rig. I'm wondering if I could get similar mileage out of a lesser costing tire. Also when i sold my last rig, I was just starting to hear of those running antique car tires on the rear. Any evidence that this is worthwhile?
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jwshort
Posted 5/2/2017 8:33 PM (#93374 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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Click on the Search option on the top line of this page left end. Type in "car tires" in the search line. I got 30+ hits. I am not one to issue opinions on the subject as my latest rig came with an automotive wheel adapted to the BMW hub by Claude Stanley.
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Woodyambison
Posted 5/4/2017 12:54 AM (#93389 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: RE: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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Huge difference m/c tire vs a car tire.
1.Much better braking
2.Triple mileage replacement intervals
3.Much quieter
4.Much more cash for adding miles to your odomter (yrmv)
5.You can buy them anywhere
6.Much smoother ride quality

I've had 3 GL 1500'S and have run car tires on them all.
I'm running a 15" rear on a modified rim for my current 1500 but 16"'s work great too.
Triple darksider 1 on rig 1 on rear and front tire is a rear tire reversed.
Sorry I do not recall size's but easy to find online.

Edited by Woodyambison 5/4/2017 12:59 AM
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VLAD
Posted 5/4/2017 9:25 AM (#93392 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: RE: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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It is no advantage to paying the big $$ for the Tires available with all the technology for better cornering and sidewall technology for sidecar use.
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DRONE
Posted 5/13/2017 6:06 PM (#93492 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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I wouldn't run a classic car tire if you can find a modern tire that will work with your rim. Classic tires are generally not intended for high mileage long-term use. More for good looks, and driving around at moderate speeds. Modern car tires on the rear of your bike, and on the sidecar, will definitely outperform a motorcycle tire for traction and longevity and load bearing ability. You're looking for a 175/60-16 for the rear. Other possible sizes are 195/55-16 (tight fit), 175/55-16 (shorter) or 175/65-16 (taller).

On the front of the bike, car tires are often linked to steering issues so, even though a car tire is longer-wearing, a motorcycle tire up front will normally provide the most predictable handling. To improve front tire wear, though, many of us mount a REAR motorcycle tire on the front if we can find one in a size that fits the front rim. Rear moto tires have a less rounded profile than a front tire so they have a somewhat wider contact patch, and many tire manufacturers use harder compounds in their rear tires to improve mileage.  Many rear tires should be mounted "backwards" on the front to optimize braking performance, but it all depends on the tire.



Edited by DRONE 5/13/2017 10:19 PM
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CCjon
Posted 5/13/2017 9:17 PM (#93495 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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Here is the link to the Darksider forum. There is a lot of information specific to your bike there.

http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com

Warning: Once you have gone to the darkside, there is no coming back. Have taken four different personal rigs to the darkside with positive results.
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Al Olme
Posted 5/13/2017 10:34 PM (#93499 - in reply to #93495)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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I'm 100% with DRONE on the "Classic Tire" issue. They are built with the restoration market in mind where original appearance is more important than tire wear. Also, since they are built for a small market you may find that when you buy your new tire it is already several years old.

Regarding going to the darkside. If you really want to full story, show up for the USCA National Rally in Corning, NY. One of the leading darkside builders in the country is going to be there with some samples and he's more than willing to talk about the issues and advantages as well as your options.
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shabelj
Posted 5/13/2017 11:53 PM (#93500 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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OK... I have been in the motorcycle community off and on for well over 30 years. But not until recently have I ever heard of this "Darkside". I have no Idea what that refers to. Can someone please explain what the darkside is?
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Al Olme
Posted 5/14/2017 12:41 AM (#93501 - in reply to #93500)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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Going "Darkside" is simply using an automotive tire on your bike. Don't blame me, I didn't make it up ;^)
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Woodyambison
Posted 5/14/2017 8:57 AM (#93502 - in reply to #93501)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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If WE can't blame you Al for the dark side WE can surely find something to blame you for !
HA ! HA !

Don't blame me, I didn't make it up ;^)
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Al Olme
Posted 5/14/2017 12:10 PM (#93503 - in reply to #93502)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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It wouldn't be the first time.
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shabelj
Posted 5/14/2017 5:45 PM (#93505 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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AAHhhhh... now i understand... well i guess i am one of the old timers, cause i had an antique car tire on my 78 wing with a Urai sidecar when i let it go... i never had any trouble and the wear length was doing very well.

Unfortunately, I talked to about the only independant shops in the area and he will not mount one if I get it... and I'm fairly certain none of the big name shops will either, so unless i want to mount it myself, I may be out of luck.
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VLAD
Posted 5/15/2017 12:29 PM (#93513 - in reply to #93492)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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DRONE - 5/13/2017 4:06 PM
Other possible sizes are 195/55-16 (tight fit), 175/55-16 (shorter) or 175/65-16 (taller).


195/55-16 will NOT fit GL1500. You also can use taxi tire 175/80-16.
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AJ1200
Posted 5/15/2017 12:38 PM (#93514 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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A 195/55-16 WILL fit a 1500, I have seen it in person and it will work. It is a tight fit and the clearance is minimal but it does fit
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VLAD
Posted 5/15/2017 1:11 PM (#93515 - in reply to #93514)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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Many people who tried told me it will not fit, but if you seen it in person you may be right. 195-205 will fit 1800. Question is why will you install 195 when 175 fit with 1/2"-5/8" clearance on each side of swing arm. And 175 -15 mm wider then OEM.
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AJ1200
Posted 5/15/2017 2:21 PM (#93516 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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I can't say I would put the 195 on my bike as I am more than happy with my 175, but it's good to know if needed we have options.
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Sidcar
Posted 5/16/2017 7:20 PM (#93534 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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I used an Austone taxi tyre on my last GL1500 outfit and it was great. Much better grip. I ran it for about 2000 miles before I sold the outfit and it looked as good as new, and at about £55, much cheaper than a bike tyre.
When my present Gl1500 SE outfit needs a rear tyre it will be an Austone.
Sid
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AJ1200
Posted 5/17/2017 2:56 PM (#93540 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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OK it appears that tire width will vary with brand. for example a Yokohama 195 will NOT fit on the 1500 without rubbing the swing-arm
but the tire my friend put on fit just fine
so the answer as to will a 195 fit is Yes and No, I now am of a mind that with it being that close why chance it
if it's that close and your tire pressure goes down some you could start rubbing the arm and not notice it at first
not worth it in my book, but that's just my 2 cents worth
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VLAD
Posted 5/17/2017 7:03 PM (#93542 - in reply to #93540)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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Do you know what tire your friend put on?
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AJ1200
Posted 5/18/2017 8:53 AM (#93545 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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I'm going to find out and will post when I do.
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shabelj
Posted 5/18/2017 9:20 AM (#93546 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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Who are you guys getting to mount these tires. Every shop I talk to refuses to mount them because "Dunlap" has provided them with documentation that it is unsafe and people are getting hurt when the bead does not hold on the m/c rim, which it is not designed to?
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AJ1200
Posted 5/18/2017 10:35 AM (#93547 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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I mount my own tires and I can tell you from exp. there is no way in hello the the beads are going to let go. I have not read or heard any stories of car tires not holding the bead or have any major failures in general. I for one have had 2 motorcycle tires come apart on me, both were rear tires in good shape and failed right after a trip 2 up pulling my camper. I have run 2 up pulling a camper for years now on a car tire and not had any problems. I'll have to look for that report from Dunlop
there is documented mileage reports from many wing riders that go well over a million miles of safe car tire use. that number only reflects the ones that have taken the time to post their mileage
I'm on my 3rd car tire with 2 1500's and have logged about 80K on them myself.


I won't tell you to go put a car tire on your bike but I for one won't ever put a MC tire back on mine as long as I have a sidecar and pull a camper

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DRONE
Posted 6/7/2017 1:31 PM (#93774 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig



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Don't go to a big chain that sells lots of new tires. Find a place that sells used tires as its MAIN business. Tell them you're paying cash and don't need a receipt. Also make sure you show up with the wheel in the trunk of your car, definitely DON'T show up with the bike. If they ask what it's for, tell them it's for a dune buggy you're building.

This is the kind of place I'm talking about which, by the way, is located at 4411 Plank Rd in Baton Rouge.

 

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RoanokeRider
Posted 6/9/2017 11:44 AM (#93798 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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The first independent motorcycle shop that I went to said "sure" and mounted it. They did know that it was for a rig. Asked the BMW dealer where I was having them mount a rear tire backwards on the front if they would mount the car tire and was told "NO". If I had to, I would go back to mounting them myself.

Edited by RoanokeRider 6/9/2017 11:44 AM
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Sidcar
Posted 6/10/2017 2:56 AM (#93802 - in reply to #93370)
Subject: Re: Rear Tire for Goldwing/Hannigan rig


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I found this picture of my Austone tyre taken when I was fitting a stainless exhaust system. It had done about a 1000 mls by that time.
If all you see is text then I have had my usual finger problems uploading a picture.
Sid



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