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Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster
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generalcuz
Posted 8/15/2017 4:07 PM (#94666)
Subject: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster


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Hi,

New to the forum, and new to sidecars. I recently was inspired by a friend who owns a Ural. I have a background in Harleys and ended up with a NOS Velorex sidecar from a dealer. Was planning to buy a 1200 sportster, but my friend just offered to sell me his 2013 Ural. I am in a pickle. Keep on the course or buy the Ural. Looking for the pros and cons each.

I understand Urals are slow and have their quirks, especially having ridden his, but the same can be said for Harleys. I like how the velorex looks and it's pretty lite. I plan to use either sidecar to pick up my son from daycare, a few bike nights, and some camping with it from time to time. Here in Colorado, that means mountain roads and climbs out of Denver. I have seen my buddy drop down to 55 mph going up those passes. No idea if a sportster would do the same.

Would appreciate any input owners here on this forum may have.

Thx,
Generalcuz
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jaydmc
Posted 8/16/2017 10:06 AM (#94677 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster


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If you are going to put the Velorex on a Sportster you should read this article http://www.dmcsidecars.com/the-result-of-improper-sidecar-mounting-...
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deadhawg
Posted 8/16/2017 2:23 PM (#94678 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster


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I've never owned a Ural and all I know about Urals is what I have read, but I have had a couple Sportsters. Both of mine were trouble free and required nothing more than routine maintenance, oil, filters, brake pads, etc. My first Sportster was an '86 883 and I rode it hard. I put over 40,000 miles on it in less than two years, and most of that on twisty mountain roads trying to see just how fast I could go. Did not have one single problem with it. My wife put over 90,000 miles on her '97 1200 Sportster with no problems. Ridden a lot easier than I rode mine, but loaded down heavy on many long trips. I'd expect a 1200 Sportster to have somewhat more power and require less maintenance than a Ural. Another consideration might be the availability of parts and service for the Ural. Harley dealers are everywhere, not so much for the Ural. Not a big deal if you're not doing long trips.
What year Sportster are you considering? After 2004 the motors are rubber mounted for less vibration.
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generalcuz
Posted 8/16/2017 4:29 PM (#94683 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster


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Thanks. I was looking at a 06 sportster 1200 a coworker is selling. Definitely prefer the ride quality with the rubber mounted engine and frame combo, having put many miles on my 883.

That's a good point about the parts access for Urals.

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SwampFox
Posted 8/16/2017 11:34 PM (#94694 - in reply to #94683)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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A Sportster rig can make a better "highway" rig than a Ural, but a Ural rig will be better for marginal/unpaved roads, as the frame/rigging is likely more robust than a Velorex combination.

Our first rig was a 2002 rigid-mount XL883R mated to a Texas Ranger sidecar.  It was a good rig that became a great rig after two modifications:  1) gear it down with a smaller front pulley - with a 1200, simply replace with an 883 pulley; and 2) modified triple trees to reduce trail - worth every penny, at least in my opinion.  This 883R/Texas combination is a fantastic rig within is limits - here is pic from back in 2012 after both gearing & steering modifications:

 

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generalcuz
Posted 8/17/2017 8:25 AM (#94698 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster


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Wow, you're really selling me on just continuing on with the Velorex/Sportster combo. Swampfox, how did the bike do at highway speeds? I am thinking 65-75 mph at times to stay with the flow of traffic. Also, you stated within the limits of the setup, what limits did you encounter?

Thx.
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SwampFox
Posted 8/17/2017 8:56 AM (#94699 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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The only engine modification on the 883R was a Screamin' Eagle intake with re-jet, installed primarily to eliminate the blow-by oil on my britches and the side of the engine. The rig was comfortable for extended riding -as to power, economy and drying dynamics- up to say, 62 mph, but i did a few ~100 mile interstate runs at ~67mph. Top speed was ~76 mph - it would've gone faster with more engine tuning. However, the riding experience diminished over 65mph, and air drag takes a toll on fuel economy as speed increases. Typical cruise for me was ~57 mph with ~42 mpg - 67 mph would drop fuel economy to ~34 mpg - a significant difference with a 3.3 gallon tank.
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SwampFox
Posted 8/17/2017 9:01 AM (#94700 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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Also re: Limits: The Sportster/Texas rig drives and handles great, but it's not a "sport" rig - that is, you learn to flow with the curves rather than attack 'em.

And re: Power: I concur with Bueller's statement some years ago re: his 883/Spyder rig: I occasionally wished from more power, but never really needed more power.
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wvsporty
Posted 8/17/2017 3:46 PM (#94707 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: RE: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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I have an 01 883C with an 80ish Velorex sidecar . Love the combo , no problems with it on the interstate. I am not fast by any means but I can run 75mph all day . Have been riding it for 6 years now



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Sal
Posted 8/18/2017 9:42 AM (#94714 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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Wvsporty, nice looking rig.
What size wheel is on the the Velorex?
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wvsporty
Posted 8/18/2017 1:21 PM (#94716 - in reply to #94666)
Subject: Re: Ural or Velorex with a 1200 Sportster



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I converted it to a utility trailer axle , tire and wheel. the axle is rated at 2100 lbs. It's a 12" tier and wheel I had two tone painted to match the rig.
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wvsporty
Posted 8/18/2017 1:24 PM (#94717 - in reply to #94666)
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this link should give you some more info. http://sidecar.com/mbbs22/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13145&posts=25...
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