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jaydmc
Posted 10/2/2017 11:35 AM (#95268 - in reply to #95209)
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All I have to add at this point is that almost never do you have to remove your saddle bag no matter how large it is.
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Bone
Posted 10/2/2017 6:14 PM (#95272 - in reply to #95209)
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Ok, for those smarter then me.......huh, is that possible .... hahaha To start with I do understand the tip over lines. However here is my question. I weigh 160 lbs and my girl friend weighs 140 lbs so that is three hundred lbs total so if she rides on the bike and not in the car we have increased the weight outside the tip over line by 150 lbs. So please tell me how that is any different then if the driver of the bike weighed 300 lbs and was riding solo?? You then have half his weight over the tip over line same as if the two of us were riding on the bike. I see no difference and I see nothing wrong with her riding on the bike especially if you add some ballast to the car.
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jaydmc
Posted 10/2/2017 6:22 PM (#95273 - in reply to #95209)
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It is much easier to shift your weight if need be in board to keep the sidecar down if you have no one behind you and chances are she will not shift her weight at all when needed. The rig truly is much more stable with the passenger in the sidecar. Also seldom discussed while there is nothing wrong with adding ballast, you are making the rig heavier and as such increasing your stopping distance. With her in the sidecar the rig would not need to be as heavy overall. Bone, as you are located in Washington state where we have S/tep classes, why not take one, you will have a lot better understanding of this then you ever will by reading stuff one line or even out of the book by David Hough "Driving a sidecar outfit"
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Bone
Posted 10/2/2017 6:38 PM (#95274 - in reply to #95273)
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jaydmc - 10/2/2017 3:22 PM

It is much easier to shift your weight if need be in board to keep the sidecar down if you have no one behind you and chances are she will not shift her weight at all when needed. The rig truly is much more stable with the passenger in the sidecar. Also seldom discussed while there is nothing wrong with adding ballast, you are making the rig heavier and as such increasing your stopping distance. With her in the sidecar the rig would not need to be as heavy overall. Bone, as you are located in Washington state where we have S/tep classes, why not take one, you will have a lot better understanding of this then you ever will by reading stuff one line or even out of the book by David Hough "Driving a sidecar outfit"
Jay G
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Hi Jay. Thanks for the response. This is my 3rd rig. I agree with your statement about the stability of the rig with her in it. When she is not with me I do not use ballast in the car. And have never really needed it.
When she is with me she does shift her weight along with me. She says it's just intuitive to do so. She has ridden in the car and does not like it. She does not like being that low looking at the axils of the semi next to us. She says it also inhibits her vision to her left. As well as being closed in and not being able to escape in a hurry if need be.
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cycleman
Posted 10/2/2017 7:07 PM (#95275 - in reply to #95209)
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I got into sidecars this summer, 2017.. My wife always said that she would never ride in a sidecar.. I have another bike that she likes to on the back of, so I came across a good rig and bought it. I brought it home and parked it the garage. A couple of days later she came into the garage and asked if she could sit in the car, so I said sure go ahead. I told her that after I had gotten some experience with the sidecar rig, I would take her for a ride around the city if she wanted. A couple of weeks later I took her for a 45 minute ride, and then this followed with a couple of short rides on the highway. In August of this year we took the rig to British Columbia for a week trip and everything turned out fine. We've been married for 46 yrs and I'm very luck she is tolerant of my escapades.

Couple of things. She found the sidecar rig much noisier to ride in than the bike alone, so we got earplugs. She expressed a real feeling of vulnerability in the car, and she has gotten over that to a great extent, passing semis bothers her and being close to guard rails also are a concern of hers. I guess where I'm going with this is that it is just like the first time somebody rides as a passenger on the back of a motorcycle. There is a learning curve, not only for the driver but the passenger. I'm not saying she has gotten totally over her fears, but she doesn't mind riding in the sidecar or behind me on the bike. A side note is that she won't let me sell the solo bike as she likes it too much.

The big thing is never make it a do or die situation.
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Bone
Posted 10/2/2017 7:22 PM (#95276 - in reply to #95275)
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cycleman - 10/2/2017 4:07 PM

I got into sidecars this summer, 2017.. My wife always said that she would never ride in a sidecar.. I have another bike that she likes to on the back of, so I came across a good rig and bought it. I brought it home and parked it the garage. A couple of days later she came into the garage and asked if she could sit in the car, so I said sure go ahead. I told her that after I had gotten some experience with the sidecar rig, I would take her for a ride around the city if she wanted. A couple of weeks later I took her for a 45 minute ride, and then this followed with a couple of short rides on the highway. In August of this year we took the rig to British Columbia for a week trip and everything turned out fine. We've been married for 46 yrs and I'm very luck she is tolerant of my escapades.

Couple of things. She found the sidecar rig much noisier to ride in than the bike alone, so we got earplugs. She expressed a real feeling of vulnerability in the car, and she has gotten over that to a great extent, passing semis bothers her and being close to guard rails also are a concern of hers. I guess where I'm going with this is that it is just like the first time somebody rides as a passenger on the back of a motorcycle. There is a learning curve, not only for the driver but the passenger. I'm not saying she has gotten totally over her fears, but she doesn't mind riding in the sidecar or behind me on the bike. A side note is that she won't let me sell the solo bike as she likes it too much.

The big thing is never make it a do or die situation.


Sounds like our lady friends are a bit alike. Mine wont let me sell my other two wheelers either. She likes riding on them way more then side hack rig. She also rides her own two wheeler. It's never a do or die situation around here. If she wants to ride on the back of the bike then that's what we do weather it's on the two wheeler or the rig.
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stevel53
Posted 10/3/2017 10:10 AM (#95277 - in reply to #95209)
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That's good information. Thanks. I'm pretty much done with the sidecar idea. I think I'll miss 2 wheels. And maybe in time my wife will calm her fear about 2 wheels. She saw a fatal wreck a couple of months ago, with a body being loaded into an ambulance, and that's freaked her out ever since. For now I like the sports car idea better.

BTW, for those folks interested in trikes, the Can-Am Spyder is far and away a better handling trike than the Harley Tri-Glide. The reverse trike design really works. The Tri-Glide has a better powerband, with buckets of torque from almost idle, which the Spyder does not have. The Spyder engine needs to revved and shifted to keep it happy. If Harley ever makes a reverse trike, or Can-Am ever makes a big V-twin engine, they'd have the perfect machine !
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Bone
Posted 10/3/2017 10:54 AM (#95278 - in reply to #95277)
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stevel53 - 10/3/2017 7:10 AM

That's good information. Thanks. I'm pretty much done with the sidecar idea. I think I'll miss 2 wheels. And maybe in time my wife will calm her fear about 2 wheels. She saw a fatal wreck a couple of months ago, with a body being loaded into an ambulance, and that's freaked her out ever since. For now I like the sports car idea better.

BTW, for those folks interested in trikes, the Can-Am Spyder is far and away a better handling trike than the Harley Tri-Glide. The reverse trike design really works. The Tri-Glide has a better powerband, with buckets of torque from almost idle, which the Spyder does not have. The Spyder engine needs to revved and shifted to keep it happy. If Harley ever makes a reverse trike, or Can-Am ever makes a big V-twin engine, they'd have the perfect machine !


Steve, I see you post a lot.... " I think, or, I'm pretty much done with something" This tells me you are just speculating because of what people have been saying. Both you and your wife need to go and try out each rig and then make a decision. Otherwise your just guessing on other peoples thoughts. As far as your wifes fear of the two wheeler now, what would make her think anything would be different with a 3 wheeler of any kind. An accident is an accident. If you have one in a car what's the first thing you get back in when you get out of the hospital. ??? I like convertibles as well, but it's still just a CAGE. Not much fun compared to motorcycle of any kind.
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stevel53
Posted 10/3/2017 11:13 AM (#95279 - in reply to #95209)
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Hi Bone. Yes, I tend to equivocate when I write. It's just a bad habit. I really do appreciate all the helpful comments. I'm done with considering a sidecar. My wife won't ride in it, I don't want to talk her into riding in it, and I'm not going to mess around with loading it with ballast. I'm done with that idea. My wife hasn't said that she'll ride with me on a 3 wheeler, but she has said that she won't on 2 wheels. She got on the back of the Tri-Glide Saturday for a ride around the block. Since I started the thread, I feel obliged to thank all the folks who took the time to write, and add a few comments for those who may be interested.

The sidecar idea is dead. I appreciate all the folks who wrote in with helpful comments. I may not reply to future posts, but if y'all want to continue the conversation, that's cool.

Thanks again to everyone !

Steve
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cycleman
Posted 10/4/2017 10:00 AM (#95286 - in reply to #95209)
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Best of luck with whatever you end up with and as always, ride/drive what you want.
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leroys73
Posted 10/10/2017 8:22 AM (#95339 - in reply to #95209)
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Steve,
Marcus Renfrow in Lufkin, Texas, is a certified instructor. I took his class in the rain two or three years ago. It was a great class rain and all. I learned a lot. I found out I would like a rig over a trike. I haven't made the switch yet but may in the future. I don't like riding traditional trikes. If I went with a trike type of ride it would be the Can Am Spyder. I have put a few hundred miles on a rented one and found I could learn to like it. I sure wish I could rent a sidecar rig. I am like the OP, afraid to spend the money then find out I do not like it full time. I sure do like the stability. I would feel safer in the rain or even if I ran into snow as I did a few year ago. However, I will stick with two wheels until I don't feel safe. Most of my rides and trips (there have been many) are solo. But I sure could pack easier for a camping trip. Hmmm
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