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SteveThePilot
Posted 11/5/2017 11:31 AM (#95604)
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I am about to start the process of adding a sidecar to my '03 Heritage Springer, FLSTSI. I will probably have a lot of questions as this proceeds but for now I have just one:

Liberty or Motorvation?
Thanks,
Steve
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OldSchool_IsCool
Posted 11/5/2017 3:06 PM (#95616 - in reply to #95604)
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Welcome to the slightly off-center world of sidecars, Steve!

I have no answer for your question, just here to say Hello.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 11/5/2017 8:10 PM (#95619 - in reply to #95604)
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Hi Steve, I run a Liberty on my FLH and have had it for a good number of years now. Haven't regretted a minute of that time!
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SteveThePilot
Posted 11/5/2017 8:26 PM (#95620 - in reply to #95604)
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going with Liberty.
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jaydmc
Posted 11/6/2017 10:21 AM (#95627 - in reply to #95604)
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You might also take a look at our Classic it is pretty much the same body style as Liberty but for less money and with less of a lead time.
Liberty is located only about 40 miles from us. If you can swing it why not come by and see both?
Jay G
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Bone
Posted 11/9/2017 1:15 PM (#95649 - in reply to #95620)
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I'd go with Jay and DMC.
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SteveThePilot
Posted 11/10/2017 9:07 AM (#95657 - in reply to #95604)
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Thanks to all for the advice. Let the process begin.....
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Woodyambison
Posted 11/13/2017 12:40 AM (#95662 - in reply to #95604)
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Hi Steve Ive got a Motorvation Spyder on my 2001 Heritage Springer and love
it (lead time 20 months).
I also have a DMC Classic on my 2002 FLHTCUI (lead time 5 months) great design and for my money the DMC wins not for the lead time advantage but a little better frame.
Liberty is good too just do not know lead times.
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jaydmc
Posted 11/13/2017 10:50 AM (#95663 - in reply to #95604)
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Our lead times are currently at 4 months, we are working on moving to a larger facility, should know more if the sale goes through next week. If we can buy the larger building it will allow us to add two more people in every department as well as bring powder coat and paint in house. With this we hope to get our lead times to under 6 weeks, the goal is 2 weeks for painted a few days not painted. Of course it will take time to find and train the right people and buy the needed equipment.
Jay G
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SteveThePilot
Posted 11/14/2017 8:04 AM (#95667 - in reply to #95604)
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Again, thanks for all the advice.

I went with Liberty. Here in the Southeast (I live in Alabama, Roll Tide!) the few sidecars I have seen have all been Liberty. The only one I have seen at a dealership was a Liberty. I just could not consider a different brand without being able to see it.

Once the build actually begins I will start a build thread and post updates.

Steve
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OldSchool_IsCool
Posted 11/14/2017 10:03 AM (#95668 - in reply to #95667)
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Did you pay half up front with a guarantee on delivery date for full payment? Some disreputable suppliers (NOT Liberty!) have been know to take full payment then him and haw a lot when they miss their delivery "estimate".

Anyway, I look forward to your build thread! In the mean time, read all you can about "piloting" a rig. Perhaps take a S/TEP class. I know there are some in Texas. You are a step ahead of the average motorcyclist as you are familiar with yaw and waggle. Two movements that most lack the appropriate "butt sensors" for.
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soupy1957
Posted 11/22/2017 3:59 PM (#95691 - in reply to #95604)
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As for me, I’ll just sit back and take notes
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jwshort
Posted 11/23/2017 11:25 AM (#95700 - in reply to #95604)
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Steve:
This is one of the benefits of the Forum. Enjoy!
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claude #3563
Posted 11/24/2017 1:50 AM (#95708 - in reply to #95604)
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You will not go wrong with Liberty. Pete Larson makes one of the nicest looking sidecars on the planet. Attention to detail is excellent. Others, including us at freedom Sidecars also do a spin off of that earlier Harley sidecar but Liberty takes things a step higher in some ways. Good choice !!
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SteveThePilot
Posted 11/24/2017 8:41 AM (#95713 - in reply to #95604)
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It appears you are also associated with Hannigan Trikes. My father has a Hannigan Trike and he loves it!



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claude #3563
Posted 11/29/2017 8:47 PM (#95773 - in reply to #95713)
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SteveThePiolet we do a few trikes and most are Hannigan productes although we have done a few champions also.
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SteveThePilot
Posted 2/25/2018 11:52 AM (#96460 - in reply to #95604)
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Another Quick Question:

As I get ready to break down my bike for the sidecar build (fork mod, new tires, etc.) I am wondering the worth of a reverse gear. I am considering installing a true reverse similar to what my Dad has on his trike. Thoughts?
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OldSchool_IsCool
Posted 2/25/2018 12:00 PM (#96461 - in reply to #96460)
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Assuming you don't have any ability issues, bad knee, unstable ankle, weakness issues, then the need for reverse can be eliminated by wise parking choices. Pass-thru parking is best, uphill nose first is good, flat is also good. What you don't want is downhill nose-in into a boxed-in spot. If that type of spot is your only option, then back into the space.

A heavy rig, of course, is a consideration too.
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Reardan Tom
Posted 2/25/2018 7:49 PM (#96469 - in reply to #95604)
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What Old School said plus the fact it's easier to push a rig backward on the few times it might be necessary than a solo bike. No fear of dropping the bike. My first rig was a Ural and had the reverse. I've had the Liberty on my FLH for a good number of years now (15) and although I worried about no reverse when I first sold the Ural and got the Liberty, it's not an issue. I haven't run into a situation yet where it was needed. Even when towing my little trailer.



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SteveThePilot
Posted 2/26/2018 8:46 AM (#96472 - in reply to #95604)
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Thanks for the input. Nice rig!
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Bone
Posted 2/26/2018 10:39 AM (#96473 - in reply to #96472)
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SteveThePilot - 2/26/2018 5:46 AM

Thanks for the input. Nice rig!


Hi Steve. Just another thought here. I have two Goldwings, A 2002 gl1800, two wheeler and a 1994 gl1500 se side car rig wirh a CSC friendship 3. As you know both have reverse.
I use reverse all the time, both on my two wheeler and the rig. I wouldn't have a large 950 lb two wheeler without reverse, or a rig. It comes in very handy when pulling my kwik kamp trailer. It's very easy to back your trailer into a dead end camp site weather it's flat or especially on a slight incline. I tend to stay away from organized camp sites with paved parking and lots of other campers. I prefer smaller places and gravel and dirt is not to easy to push a rig around in or a large two wheeler.
Put reverse on your rig. You never regret it. If you don't need it cool...... but when you do you will be glad it's there. Just my opion......YMMV.
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SteveThePilot
Posted 2/27/2018 6:11 PM (#96488 - in reply to #95604)
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Again, Thanks for the input.

I am leaning towards putting the reverse on there. One of the reasons is convenience but there is also the ability issues that are drawing me towards a third wheel in the first place.

So now the question is: does anyone have a recommendation for a particular brand of mechanical reverse for a Harley?
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Reardan Tom
Posted 2/28/2018 9:53 AM (#96493 - in reply to #95604)
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You might want to talk with Gary McLuen, the guy in the wheel chair in the video Sit, Stay, Ride, the story of America's sidecar dogs. He's just outside Port Townsend, WA and installed a reverse on his. He's a machinist by trade and makes his living in his machine shop. I'll PM you his phone number. I'm sure he'd have some valuable input...

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Fly
Posted 2/28/2018 9:16 PM (#96504 - in reply to #95604)
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Some reverse kits for Harleys will only work with stock Harley configuration
head pipes.
fly
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