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Posted 7/22/2005 9:03 AM (#8745)
Subject: electric on-the-fly sidecar adjustment?


Who? Where? How much? Tried it? Like it?
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Hack'n
Posted 7/22/2005 1:26 PM (#8754 - in reply to #8745)
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Dauntless has been working with electric tilt on URALS.
Most tilt systems use an electric screw jack to raise or lower the chassis and can be operated on the fly but aren't quick enough for attacking the corners. Mostly used just for trimming the rig to suit the present road camber conditions or sidecar loadings. Somewhat expensive, ugly to look at and usually not really needed on a singlewide rig. (My own scald on this).
Like linked brakes; I'll use 'em if I got 'em, but I won't pay extra for 'em.
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VLAD
Posted 7/22/2005 2:45 PM (#8758 - in reply to #8745)
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SPEND MONEY ON GAS FOR TRAVEL. NO NEED FOR IT IF SIDECAR PROPERLY ADJUSTED. IF YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE...
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robtg
Posted 7/22/2005 4:49 PM (#8762 - in reply to #8745)
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Most adjustable things are out of adjustment most of the time--RG
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stacebg
Posted 7/22/2005 10:27 PM (#8773 - in reply to #8745)
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i have a duff norton linear actuator on my kz13 / champ legend and i would not be witout it,
even if the rig is in perfect alignment the crown in the road changes and so does the load that you carry and the actuator can trim / compensate for these changes

cost is about 350 new and about 150 on ebay

then you have to install it

like i said wouldnt be without it and i build trike and use them there too

stacy

Edited by stacebg 7/28/2005 9:55 AM
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Posted 7/23/2005 6:11 AM (#8779 - in reply to #8745)
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Got more details on the Duff-Norton linear actuator? Size, part number, etc?
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claude #3563
Posted 7/23/2005 8:06 AM (#8781 - in reply to #8779)
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Not sure but I think th emanuafactirers say to only adjust the lean out at rest. But...I was fortuanate to ride Gene Crockett's hannigan/21500 wing a few years ago at th erally in Buena Vista. It had the true lean adjuster on it that Hannigan offered at the time.It worked very quickly with the use of a button on the bars!! Yes, you could come up on a right hander and lean the bike in and then straighten it up after the turn..lean it left for a left hander on the fly etc. That thing worked quickly and made a TON of diference in cornering. In fact that was one of the best cornering rigs I have ever been on due to the ability to lean it in and out so easily on the fly, recomended or not. What a 'sleeper'!!
Problems forseen?? If the leanout adjuster ever quit working for whatever reason when being used in this fashion you could easily take an unwanted off road excusrion, end up in the crash house or worse.
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stacebg
Posted 7/23/2005 10:54 AM (#8788 - in reply to #8779)
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duffnorton.com
mpd 6405 500 lb unit
i use the 6" model

stacy
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Posted 7/23/2005 11:22 AM (#8789 - in reply to #8745)
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Thanks Stacy!

Claude, I'm not gonna lean THAT far, just enough to compensate for wind, load, or road conditions.
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Posted 7/23/2005 2:36 PM (#8794 - in reply to #8788)
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Originally written by stacebg on 7/23/2005 11:54 AM

duffnorton.com
mpd 6405 500 lb unit
i use the 6" model

stacy

Can you e-mail me pics of your setup?
ivysimpson@juno.com
Thanks!

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Hacksaw_neb
Posted 7/23/2005 6:13 PM (#8797 - in reply to #8745)
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I have a 1970 Guzzi with a Coupe Royale chair that Vern Goodwin set up for me. He put a hand adjustable turnbuckle as the third-point upper connector and this WORKS GREAT for the needed adjustments for road crown, wind drag and loading variances.
He also puts a linear actuator in this application but I opted for the low dough version.
With my chair being fully enclosed, tall and heavy I don't know how I would get along without the fine tuning that this adjuster affords me.
JMHO
Hacksaw
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Posted 7/24/2005 7:25 AM (#8805 - in reply to #8797)
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That's how I'd like to use a linear actuator on my URAL, but since it gas TWO struts, I'm going to use it to raise and lower the shock mount instead.
Originally written by Hacksaw_neb on 7/23/2005 7:13 PM

I have a 1970 Guzzi with a Coupe Royale chair that Vern Goodwin set up for me. He put a hand adjustable turnbuckle as the third-point upper connector and this WORKS GREAT for the needed adjustments for road crown, wind drag and loading variances.
He also puts a linear actuator in this application but I opted for the low dough version.
With my chair being fully enclosed, tall and heavy I don't know how I would get along without the fine tuning that this adjuster affords me.
JMHO
Hacksaw


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claude #3563
Posted 7/24/2005 9:01 AM (#8807 - in reply to #8805)
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Your idea is by far the simplier method. Tilting the whole rig this way will allow you to compensate for various conditions and the overall outcome will be the same. Today, this is the more common setup seen.
I had a highly modified velorex many years ago and on it had run a torsion bar below and across the sidecar frame and linked it to the sidecar swingarm. On the bike side there was a bolt that you could screw in or out to 'wind up' the torsion bar. The system worked very well, was inexpensive and easy to fabricate.
Claude


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JayDauntless
Posted 7/24/2005 10:38 AM (#8809 - in reply to #8745)
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We set up about one Ural sidecar a week, Most go out with electric tilt and disk brakes. You can see photo's of the tilt set up on our web site www.dauntlessmotors.com in the dual sport section. Of the 150 sidecars a year give or take that we set up about 3/4 go out with electric tilt. Do you need it? Not really but it is very nice to have. Even more so if you do not modify the front of the bike.
Jay Giese
Dauntless Motors Corporation
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Posted 7/24/2005 11:07 AM (#8811 - in reply to #8809)
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Unfortunately. you're not within driving distance of me, so I have to set it up myself. How much for the parts?

Originally written by JayDauntless on 7/24/2005 11:38 AM

We set up about one Ural sidecar a week, Most go out with electric tilt and disk brakes. You can see photo's of the tilt set up on our web site www.dauntlessmotors.com in the dual sport section. Of the 150 sidecars a year give or take that we set up about 3/4 go out with electric tilt. Do you need it? Not really but it is very nice to have. Even more so if you do not modify the front of the bike.
Jay Giese
Dauntless Motors Corporation


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JayDauntless
Posted 7/25/2005 9:11 AM (#8831 - in reply to #8745)
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$800 for the ural which includes every thing you need including jigs (that need sent back when done) for locating every thing.
Jay Giese
Dauntless Motors Corporation
www.dauntlessmotors.com
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Posted 7/25/2005 9:14 AM (#8832 - in reply to #8745)
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Thanks!
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Dundertaker
Posted 7/27/2005 6:02 PM (#8895 - in reply to #8745)
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I have one with and one without! I would say Tilt and a Brake are ALWAYS a good idea. The one with the tilt is much easier to drive over the long haul! Anyone that says you don't need it has never had it! LOL

Dundertaker!
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Hack'n
Posted 7/27/2005 7:11 PM (#8898 - in reply to #8895)
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Folks say the same thing about: Harleys, Hondas, Ducatis, Beemers, Stick shift vs Automatic and Blondes. But do they really know all that much about everyone else's preferences?
I've had electric tilt setups and stand by my original opinion.
Like GPS, CD players, Stereos, Cup holders, Tribal artwork and Bling, Bling, I don't care for it on my rigs. Again, my scald on it.
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claude #3563
Posted 7/27/2005 7:49 PM (#8899 - in reply to #8898)
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Well, for me, I like to be able to do some simple adjustments on the fly as road conditions change, weoght in sidecar changes or when going up a hill or whatever. The manual or electric tilt or lean out devices allow this. It do make a diference.
Brake on sidecar? I can take it or leave it.
GPS? Lonnie, I am still a rand mcnally person too....LOL



Edited by claude #3563 7/27/2005 7:59 PM
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Hack'n
Posted 7/27/2005 8:28 PM (#8901 - in reply to #8899)
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Yeah Claude,
The Vetter Terraplane had a pretty simple failsafe adjuster, didn't it?
It even worked with a dead battery.

Lonnie
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Loo4two
Posted 7/27/2005 9:33 PM (#8902 - in reply to #8901)
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Hi Lonnie & Claude,
I'm building a manual one for my Velorex and I figure about 1 inch of travel each direction plus the strut adjustments. About right?
David
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claude #3563
Posted 7/27/2005 9:35 PM (#8903 - in reply to #8901)
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>>>Yeah Claude,
The Vetter Terraplane had a pretty simple failsafe adjuster, didn't it?
It even worked with a dead battery.
Lonnie<<<

Yes, The Terraplane was a good one with a true lean out adjustment.Back in th emid eighties I put a lot of miles on a Terraplane rig and it spoiled me due to th eability to adjust it on th efly.
We have an early Motorvation Formula II with the manul tilt adjuster..it works very well also.
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claude #3563
Posted 7/27/2005 9:39 PM (#8904 - in reply to #8902)
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>>>Hi Lonnie & Claude,
I'm building a manual one for my Velorex and I figure about 1 inch of travel each direction plus the strut adjustments. About right?
David
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David,
Sorry but I am not real sure what you mean by '1 inch of travel...'.
Are you actually adjusting the lean out or tilting the whole rig?
Sorry for being so thick headed but can you explain more?
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Loo4two
Posted 7/27/2005 9:52 PM (#8906 - in reply to #8745)
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Claude,
The plan is to make a beam to go on top of the inside rail of the side car frame and anchor the upper struts to it instead of the side car frame. It will be hinged to the front and rear frame rails inboard about 4 inches and then raised and lowered about an inch each direction with a manual screw.
David
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