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hal77079
Posted 1/4/2011 12:24 PM (#55351 - in reply to #55347)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


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Location: Houston, TX
In support of those who are weight challanged - one of our past USCA VPs tipped the scales at almost 400 pounds I believe and stood some six feet tall. He used a Heddingham sidecar attached to his huge Goldwing, but the entire outboard frame of large diameter fipe was filled entirely with lead shot. Yes - he needed every ounce of ballast. I, on the other hand, used no ballast on my Laverda 3C with Watsonian GP - believing more in use of throttle to power slide those righthanders. Of course tire life was short - but the grin on mhy face was huge.
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hal77079
Posted 1/4/2011 12:42 PM (#55352 - in reply to #25872)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


Posts: 216
Location: Houston, TX
There does not appear to be any dispute. Consider the ancient ledgend of the three blind wise men and the elephant.
One day, three blind men happened to meet each other and gossiped a long time about many things. Suddenly one of them recalled, “I heard that an elephant is a queer animal. Too bad we’re blind and can’t see it.”
“Ah, yes, truly too bad we don’t have the good fortune to see the strange animal,” another one sighed.
The third one, quite annoyed, joined in and said, “See? Forget it! Just to feel it would be great.”
“Well, that’s true. If only there were some way of touching the elephant, we’d be able to know,” they all agreed.
It so happened that a merchant with a herd of elephants was passing, and overheard their conversation. “You fellows, do you really want to feel an elephant? Then follow me; I will show you,” he said.
The three men were surprised and happy. Taking one another’s hand, they quickly formed a line and followed while the merchant led the way. Each one began to contemplate how he would feel the animal, and tried to figure how he would form an image.
After reaching their destination, the merchant asked them to sit on the ground to wait. In a few minutes he led the first blind man to feel the elephant. With outstretched hand, he touched first the left foreleg and then the right. After that he felt the two legs from the top to the bottom, and with a beaming face, turned to say, “So, the queer animal is just like that.” Then he slowly returned to the group.
Thereupon the second blind man was led to the rear of the elephant. He touched the tail which wagged a few times, and he exclaimed with satisfaction, “Ha! Truly a queer animal! Truly odd! I know now. I know.” He hurriedly stepped aside.
The third blind man’s turn came, and he touched the elephant’s trunk which moved back and forth turning and twisting and he thought, “That’s it! I’ve learned.”
The three blind men thanked the merchant and went their way. Each one was secretly excited over the experience and had a lot to say, yet all walked rapidly without saying a word.
“Let’s sit down and have a discussion about this queer animal,” the second blind man said, breaking the silence.
“A very good idea. Very good.” the other two agreed for they also had this in mind. Without waiting for anyone to be properly seated, the second one blurted out, “This queer animal is like our straw fans swinging back and forth to give us a breeze. However, it’s not so big or well made. The main portion is rather wispy.”
“No, no!” the first blind man shouted in disagreement. “This queer animal resembles two big trees without any branches.”
“You’re both wrong.” the third man replied. “This queer animal is similar to a snake; it’s long and round, and very strong.”
How they argued! Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of course, there was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the whole elephant. How can anyone describe the whole until he has learned the total of the parts.

And so it is with sidecarists. Every one is right, or perhaps not so right. But all are welcome to express their views and their experiences from which we all lean when we appreciate the whole, and not just the part.
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gnm109
Posted 1/4/2011 1:26 PM (#55353 - in reply to #55350)
Subject: RE: Ballast?



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Location: Sacramento County, California
SidecarMike - 1/4/2011 9:24 AM

gnm109 - 1/4/2011 10:22 AM  40 years? You're a short timer. LOL. 

Actually, it's 43 years.  I started young. 



Oh sure, now you shange it.....LOL.
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hal77079
Posted 1/4/2011 1:32 PM (#55354 - in reply to #25872)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


Posts: 216
Location: Houston, TX
There are old sidecarists and there are bold sidecarists

But there are are no old and bold sidecarists

Hal
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Snapgadget
Posted 1/4/2011 6:59 PM (#55357 - in reply to #55354)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


Posts: 10
I have a 04 Electra Glide with a 2010 Hannigan Classic SC. I've got 90 lbs from a old dumbell set, in the trunk. works well...
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david lloyd
Posted 1/4/2011 8:32 PM (#55358 - in reply to #25872)
Subject: RE: Ballast?



Posts: 154
Location: Lachine, QC-CANADA, EH!
I took "Crawf's" advice and wired up a car battery! Great ballast and extra juice!
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SwampFox
Posted 1/4/2011 8:50 PM (#55359 - in reply to #55354)
Subject: Re: Ballast?



Posts: 1659
Location: Summer Grove, LA USA
hal77079 - 1/4/2011 1:32 PM
There are old sidecarists and there are bold sidecarists
But there are are no old and bold sidecarists


Thanks for the reminder Hal. Occasionally, the late model BMW riders encourage me to go "play" with them. I generally know better.
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Daryl Martel
Posted 1/11/2011 12:15 PM (#55452 - in reply to #25872)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


Posts: 83
Could just fill a plastic fuel jug full of water, or? Was thinking I could carry a Jerry can (plastic of course) of gas, and 1 of water along for the ride.
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hal77079
Posted 1/11/2011 12:43 PM (#55453 - in reply to #55452)
Subject: Re: Ballast?


Posts: 216
Location: Houston, TX
Of course. Outfits designed for desert movement were often equipped with jerry cans for fuel and water. However, these were of the old WWII type - steel - mounted in exceptionally strong brackets - also steel - be very careful oin placement, especially if using gas in plastic jugs - and think of where you would place them. Collisions. Fire. Extra fuel carriers have been used as long steel cylinders between the bike and sidecar, with auxilliary pumps to pump the fuel back into the gas tank. Just think safety first. For yourself, and for other road users.

Best location - just rear of seat and inside trunk - as close to SC wheel as possible. If gas inside trunk - then think of vapor to outside - bad idea. Do not have any loose objects in trunk.
Hal
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chiba
Posted 2/7/2011 8:13 AM (#56049 - in reply to #25872)
Subject: Re: Ballast?



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I'm currently learning to drive a sidecar rig & actually just got my first rig yesterday! After checking out all the new hardware attached to my bike, the first thing I did was go to Home Depot & buy 2 50lb bags of rocks. I put each into an old pillowcase & they went into the trunk.

I figure 100 lbs is heavier than my kid & lighter than my wife, so it's a good middle ground to start learning with before I put either of them in the 'car. I'll most likely leave 1 bag in when my kid's along with me.

--chiba
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